Harry Potter

[Chocolate Bar]

titanian said:

oh well, I still cannot find it, but u must see that the fact that this book has been related and argued with the Wiccan belief is enough to show how much this book deals with witchcraft! When you google Harry Potter you receive about half of them articles showing how it shows Wiccan belief, and half that show how Christians are arguing about it.

Then say you google Chronicles of Narnia, almost every single one is about Christians trying to learn from the book and trying to see the message C.S. Lewis is trying to tell others about God....................

see what i'm saying?

all i'm trying to say is that the arguement that she is a wiccan is a very underhanded thing to say, I would never call you a liar and would take your word on almost anything but I don't believe it. I want proof, what can I say? I'm from Missouri. ;D

[Triphus (Titanian)]

Yeah I understand completely. In ur position I wouldn't believe me either, all I'm trying to say though is the fact that Harry Potter is a big controversy where as u never see anyone question Narnia, unless they're defending Harry Potter, so doesn't that seem a little weird?

[heartofgold]

There is something more in Harry Potter though. The author is a Wicca for goodness sakes!!!!!! Do u not think that the author is trying to put her ideas out to kids through her book? I understand what your saying about the fairy tales, but those are more of teaching about morals. Harry Potter, from what i've heard, teaches you how to be a witch.......that doesn't sound right to me.

What on earth makes you think the author is a wicca? That involves things from the spiritual realm, there isn't any of that in Harry Potter. Its, wave a magic wand and turn mice into something useful, I've never heard of a cult that does that.

And about the morals. People have written whole books on the Christian undertones of Harry Potter!! I have actually read the books, and I can tell you she's not trying to teach you how to be a witch. There isn't any theory in the books about how to do stuff. Its a happy little school where they learn Fairy tale magic, and have adventures along the way.

Yeah I understand completely. In ur position I wouldn't believe me either, all I'm trying to say though is the fact that Harry Potter is a big controversy where as u never see anyone question Narnia, unless they're defending Harry Potter, so doesn't that seem a little weird?

Well yea, but thats because Chronicles of Narnia is a Christian Parody, whereas Harry Potter is not (but you can't pretend all books that aren't Christian Parodies are evil).

[Triphus (Titanian)]

heartofgold said:

What on earth makes you think the author is a wicca? That involves things from the spiritual realm, there isn't any of that in Harry Potter. Its, wave a magic wand and turn mice into something useful, I've never heard of a cult that does that.

The reason I said that in the first place is that my youth group had a debate about this and then we found an article of her admitting she was a Wiccan so i thought that would be a good thing to put in here, but since i do not know where the article is as of now, just forget I said that.

Well yea, but thats because Chronicles of Narnia is a Christian Parody, whereas Harry Potter is not (but you can't pretend all books that aren't Christian Parodies are evil).

You are very right, that basically proves my point. What I was trying to point out is that books such as Narnia and LOTR are Christian Parodies, whereas Harry Potter is not. If you look back through this debate the #1 reason for defending Harry Potter is "If you thing Harry Potter is full of witchcraft, then you shouldn't read Narnia or LOTR." By stating what I said all I was trying to prove is that I think reading about witchcraft is corruptfull to our hearts and our minds, and the only reason I read Narnia and LOTR is cause they are Christian Parodies and they show good Christian morals.

[Armany]

heartofgold said:

And about the morals. People have written whole books on the Christian undertones of Harry Potter!! I have actually read the books, and I can tell you she's not trying to teach you how to be a witch. There isn't any theory in the books about how to do stuff. Its a happy little school where they learn Fairy tale magic, and have adventures along the way.

With all due respect, that's a load of baloney. Basically, what you're saying is that Harry Potter is just a little "innocent" magical fun; nothing wrong with having witches and occultic symbols thrown in along the way, right?

Here are some quotes from a bunch of kids after they had read one or more Harry Potter book(s):

"I want to go to wizard school and learn magic. I'd like to learn to use a wand to cast spells." (Dylan, age 10)

"If I could go to wizard school, I might be able to do spells and potions and fly a broomstick." (Myra, age 12)

"It would be great to be a wizard because you could control situations and things like teachers." (Jeffrey, age 11)

"I'd like to go to wizard school and learn magic and put spells on people. I'd make up an ugly spell and then it's pay-back time." (Catherine, age 9)

"I feel like I'm inside Harry's world. If I went to wizard school I'd study everything: spells, counter spells, and defense against the dark arts." (Carolyn, age 10)

"I liked it when the bad guys killed the unicorn and Voldemort drank its blood." (July, age 13)

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Spells. Controlling people. Drinking blood. As Patrick Henry once said, "I smell a rat."

One of the main things I've heard Harry Potter apologists use in defense of their beloved novels is the fact that it's all "just fantasy. None of it's real," they say. There aren't really any witches out there, they say. Witchcraft is just a myth, so there's no harm in reading about some kids waving around some wands and playing around with some magic.

These people are ignoring both the facts of life and the Bible when they say such things. For one, witches are real. They are in America right now. They are not green, with ugly noses and broomsticks. They are people attuned to the supernatural world in a way that allows them to connect with spirits and do things that are supernatural. They cast spells upon people (even the Wicca religion involves casting spells) and they perform many occultic activities.

The Bible has much to say about witches, mediums, spiritists, and sorcerers. 10 Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, 11 or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. 12 Anyone who does these things is detestable to the LORD, and because of these detestable practices the LORD your God will drive out those nations before you. (Deuteronomy 18:10-12). I have heard many pastors define witchcraft as the ability and/or desire to control natural or supernatural things, including people.

The only question that remains is this: Does Harry Potter contain witchcraft? Well, in an article that defends the innocence of Harry Potter, written by Judy Blume, the school that Harry Potter is said to be named, and I quote, "the celebrated Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry." I believe that fact speaks for itself. (Link: www.ncac.org/cen_news/cn76harrypotter.html)

Heartofogld, you yourself say that Harry Potter uses spells, via wand waving, to, in essence, change "mice into useful things." That sounds fine and dandy until you take into account the fact that witchcraft is the attempt to control, in this case, nature. HP is still controlling nature, in however subtle and innocent ways that is portrayed, and manipulating it to his advantage through supernatural means.

What Harry Potter is doing is giving children an avenue that exposes them to the bare fundamentals of witchcraft. Through devices like adventure and also through the introduction of "good magic" or "good witchcraft" (totally un-Biblical), children are shown that, in some fantasy world, they themselves could control and manipulate both the elements of nature and supernatural means (casting spells is definitely supernatural).

It is a moot point as to whether Harry Potter is a carbon-copy of a Wiccan coven's handbook. The important thing here is that, through the use of fantasy, the basic ideas of witchcraft are allowed to inundate impressionable kids. The spells that Harry Potter and his gang casts may not even resemble actual Wiccan spells. It doesn't matter. They introduce the tenets of witchcraft and the idea that one can achieve natural power through supernatural means.

[heartofgold]

You are very right, that basically proves my point. What I was trying to point out is that books such as Narnia and LOTR are Christian Parodies, whereas Harry Potter is not. If you look back through this debate the #1 reason for defending Harry Potter is "If you thing Harry Potter is full of witchcraft, then you shouldn't read Narnia or LOTR." By stating what I said all I was trying to prove is that I think reading about witchcraft is corruptfull to our hearts and our minds, and the only reason I read Narnia and LOTR is cause they are Christian Parodies and they show good Christian morals.

Like I said, people (respected people, not just guys off the street) have written whole books on the Christian morals of Harry Potter. And besides, Sleeping Beauty isn't a Christian Parody, why is it OK?

With all due respect, that's a load of baloney. Basically, what you're saying is that Harry Potter is just a little "innocent" magical fun; nothing wrong with having witches and occultic symbols thrown in along the way, right?

There aren't any occultic symbols in Harry Potter, unless you think Fairy Tales (such as Narnia) are occultic.

Here are some quotes from a bunch of kids after they had read one or more Harry Potter book(s):

Theses kids shouldn't read fantasy. Period. No Narnia, no LOTR, no Grimm's fairy tales, they can't handle it. But most of us are rational people who watch, say, Star Was, and say, "I like Harrison Ford," and don't try and Force Choke anyone. If you're a rational person, you can read Fairy Tales.

Spells. Controlling people. Drinking blood. As Patrick Henry once said, "I smell a rat."

Nobody drinks blood or controls people except for the BAD GUYS! This is a big thing here. This is where all the Christian Morals come in. The big bad guy phrase in the book is, "there is no good and evil, there is power, and those to weak to seek it." The BAD GUYS say this. So, of course, there is good and evil according to Harry Potter books. There are good people, who you like, and bad people, who you don't like. Hence Snow White and her Evil Stepmother.

One of the main things I've heard Harry Potter apologists use in defense of their beloved novels is the fact that it's all "just fantasy. None of it's real," they say. There aren't really any witches out there, they say. Witchcraft is just a myth, so there's no harm in reading about some kids waving around some wands and playing around with some magic.

These people are ignoring both the facts of life and the Bible when they say such things. For one, witches are real. They are in America right now. They are not green, with ugly noses and broomsticks. They are people attuned to the supernatural world in a way that allows them to connect with spirits and do things that are supernatural. They cast spells upon people (even the Wicca religion involves casting spells) and they perform many occultic activities.

There are no supernatural beings in Harry Potter, good or bad. No evil spirits are called upon, no occultic rituals take place, its all stuff found in books like Grimm's Fairy Tales, LOTR, all the rest. You have to have supernatural beings to have wicca cult in their, so that scratches out the possibility that there occultic.

The Bible has much to say about witches, mediums, spiritists, and sorcerers. 10 Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, 11 or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. 12 Anyone who does these things is detestable to the LORD, and because of these detestable practices the LORD your God will drive out those nations before you. (Deuteronomy 18:10-12). I have heard many pastors define witchcraft as the ability and/or desire to control natural or supernatural things, including people.

But witchcraft and sorcery have to involve supernatural beings. As they aren't any in Harry Potter, it just ends up as stuff out of a fairy tale.

The only question that remains is this: Does Harry Potter contain witchcraft? Well, in an article that defends the innocence of Harry Potter, written by Judy Blume, the school that Harry Potter is said to be named, and I quote, "the celebrated Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry." I believe that fact speaks for itself. (Link: www.ncac.org/cen_news/cn76harrypotter.html)

Define witchcraft. It has fairy tale magic, but it doesn't have evil spirit witchcraft.

Heartofogld, you yourself say that Harry Potter uses spells, via wand waving, to, in essence, change "mice into useful things." That sounds fine and dandy until you take into account the fact that witchcraft is the attempt to control, in this case, nature. HP is still controlling nature, in however subtle and innocent ways that is portrayed, and manipulating it to his advantage through supernatural means.

I repeat: He is not using supernatural means. There are no supernatural beings in Harry Potter.
And if this is a problem, then we have to ban fantasy. Anything that has any hint of something out of the ordinary (the five children and It) must be banned.

What Harry Potter is doing is giving children an avenue that exposes them to the bare fundamentals of witchcraft. Through devices like adventure and also through the introduction of "good magic" or "good witchcraft" (totally un-Biblical), children are shown that, in some fantasy world, they themselves could control and manipulate both the elements of nature and supernatural means (casting spells is definitely supernatural).

Casting spells isn't supernatural, its just magic. Like a Fairy Tale. All this is is a Fairy Tale, nothing more.

It is a moot point as to whether Harry Potter is a carbon-copy of a Wiccan coven's handbook. The important thing here is that, through the use of fantasy, the basic ideas of witchcraft are allowed to inundate impressionable kids. The spells that Harry Potter and his gang casts may not even resemble actual Wiccan spells. It doesn't matter. They introduce the tenets of witchcraft and the idea that one can achieve natural power through supernatural means.

We're still banning all fantasy. If thats what you want to do, I respect you for it. I really do. I don't agree with you, but its nice to know someone cares.

[falklands]

I agree with both Armany and heartofgold, in a sense. Harry Potter casts a "friendly" light on witchcraft which I don't like in the least. And you can tell from it's effects that people are getting attracted to this sort of thing. That does not have good connotations for the inherent spirit of the book. But then again, if you are a mature person, it is less bad to read it if you know it for what it is. I wasn't allowed to read it for years until I was discerning enough to not be affected by it in the slightest. But if you choose not to read it, that only counts towards your own self-control and maturity.

[heartofgold]

I agree with both Armany and heartofgold, in a sense. Harry Potter casts a "friendly" light on witchcraft which I don't like in the least. And you can tell from it's effects that people are getting attracted to this sort of thing. That does not have good connotations for the inherent spirit of the book. But then again, if you are a mature person, it is less bad to read it if you know it for what it is. I wasn't allowed to read it for years until I was discerning enough to not be affected by it in the slightest. But if you choose not to read it, that only counts towards your own self-control and maturity.

Well, I don't know. I think if you're wired different, these books are going to affect you. But if your rational, you're probley going to be rational all your life.
For instance. When I was a little kid, my favorite movie was Peter Pan. Now, I had no erge to find a pixie and fly to the second star to the right, and I still don't. If I had heard Harry Potter when I was that age (and I did read the first one pretty young) I wouldn't have wanted to jinx people (still don't).
But you have to admit, Peter Pan shows "witchcraft" in a good light.

[Geberia]

The thing about comparing HP to all these other fairy tales is that none besides HP shows witchcraft mroe clearly. No kid, after watching Snow White, ( at least no REGULAR kid) wanted to be Snow White's stepmother. When they watch Harry Potter, they want to be witches and wizards and the lot. Think about it - Snow white and Narnia portray witches in a bad sense, but J.K. Rowling portrays witches in a good sense. And as we have stated, witches are BAD.
I am reminded of a verse in the Bible that states," They shall call good evil, and evil good."
As a Christian, I feel it would be damaging to my testimony if I were into Harry potter. people would see me as a hypocrite, following God yet at the same time following after books that contain witchcraft portrayed in a 'good' sense.

[heartofgold]

The thing about comparing HP to all these other fairy tales is that none besides HP shows witchcraft mroe clearly.

Thats like saying Dune is a bad book because it portrays the future so clearly. Also, no. She doesn't protray "witchcraft" clearly. At least, no more clearly than a Fairy Tale. There's you basic hags and werewolves you'd find anywhere, but she doesn't just borrow things from different cults around the world.

No kid, after watching Snow White, ( at least no REGULAR kid) wanted to be Snow White's stepmother.

Thats what I'm saying! No normal kid after reading Harry Potter wants to be a witch. The only reason you find cases is because so many people read the books. I mean think. Millions and Millions read Harry Potter, and about what, 100-200 cases of people acutally being affected (don't believe the Onion)? The ratio is a lot higher just because so many people read the book, like Wal-Mart.

Snow white and Narnia portray witches in a bad sense, but J.K. Rowling portrays witches in a good sense. And as we have stated, witches are BAD.

What about Fairys? They're always protrayed in a good light. They do "witchcraft." Why are they OK?

[Triphus (Titanian)]

ok let me say something real quick............why do u guys keep talking about "normal" kids or "mature" kids???

You cannot blame the effects of a book on the type of person. First of all, who are you to judge who is normal?? That is definitely not ur call. Second of all, a book is written to display a message, and yes people can interpret it differently, but the messge is still there. You understand? No matter what you're used to ur still going to see a message. In this case the message is witchcraft........i don't care if it's good, bad, or ugly..........it's still witchcraft............and the Bible tells me not to deal with witchcraft, good or bad

The reason Narnia is different is because the "good side" doesn't use witchcraft. Only the "bad side" uses witchcraft showing that it's definitely wrong.

[steelsheen]

Really- Fairies. In Irish folklore, they are almost NEVER good- not evil, usually, but nowhere NEAR good!

And there is truly no such thing as normal. People are people.

The way I look at the whole Harry Potter thing is-

To some, it may be a sin. To others, it may be harmless entertainment. "Let each man be FIRMLY convinced in his OWN mind." One of my favorite sayings comes into play here- "That's between you and God; not you and me." If God tells you through his word or another medium that it's wrong, believe him! If God says nothing on the subject, I believe you can safely assume that you may read (do, whatever) it.

God clearly states that witchcraft is wrong. He also states that rebellion is a sin like unto it. We get so paranoid about the one sin we totally ignore the other!

Anyway- that's just my take on it.

[heartofgold]

ok let me say something real quick............why do u guys keep talking about "normal" kids or "mature" kids???

When I say normal, I mean the majority.

You cannot blame the effects of a book on the type of person. First of all, who are you to judge who is normal?? That is definitely not ur call. Second of all, a book is written to display a message, and yes people can interpret it differently, but the messge is still there. You understand? No matter what you're used to ur still going to see a message. In this case the message is witchcraft........i don't care if it's good, bad, or ugly..........it's still witchcraft............and the Bible tells me not to deal with witchcraft, good or bad

The reason Narnia is different is because the "good side" doesn't use witchcraft. Only the "bad side" uses witchcraft showing that it's definitely wrong.

What about all the nyads and dryaids on the good side in Narnia? They're creatures of "witchcraft." Also, what about LOTR? Most everyone seems OK with LOTR, even though there's all sorts of magic on the good side.

I believe there's a difference between magic, and witchcraft. Witchcraft involves supernatural beings and trying to control people and all that. Magic is a technology. You can use if for good or evil, but it in an of itself is not the moral issue.

Here's a good article I found about the subject.

www.firstthings.com/ftissues/ft0001/reviews/jacobs.html

Also, I don't remember reading that evil spirits were guiding the prince along when he kissed Snow White and broke the magic spell.

[Triphus (Titanian)]

heartofgold said:

When I say normal, I mean the majority.

How do you know what the majority thinks?? Say we read a book and I think one way and you think the other......Harry Potter for instance which one of us is in the majority and which one is in the minority?

What about all the nyads and dryaids on the good side in Narnia? They're creatures of "witchcraft." Also, what about LOTR? Most everyone seems OK with LOTR, even though there's all sorts of magic on the good side.

I believe there's a difference between magic, and witchcraft. Witchcraft involves supernatural beings and trying to control people and all that. Magic is a technology. You can use if for good or evil, but it in an of itself is not the moral issue.

Ok now read both of those paragraphs together.......and remember u typed both of those paragraphs.......

First of all, Nyads and Dryads aren't beings of witchcraft...they're "creatures" if you will, but not beings of witchcraft.

Second of all, in the first paragraph you say that "Most everyone seems OK with LOTR, even though there's all sorts of magic on the good side." and then in the second paragraph you prove (by accident im sure) why people are ok with LOTR having magic......"I believe there's a difference between magic, and witchcraft. Witchcraft involves supernatural beings and trying to control people and all that. Magic is a technology."

You see how you just proved why people can agree with LOTR and not Harry Potter?

[heartofgold]

How do you know what the majority thinks?? Say we read a book and I think one way and you think the other......Harry Potter for instance which one of us is in the majority and which one is in the minority

I don't know how the majority thinks, but I know how the majority acts. The majority of people who read Harry Potter don't become part of some cult afterwards.

Second of all, in the first paragraph you say that "Most everyone seems OK with LOTR, even though there's all sorts of magic on the good side." and then in the second paragraph you prove (by accident im sure) why people are ok with LOTR having magic......"I believe there's a difference between magic, and witchcraft. Witchcraft involves supernatural beings and trying to control people and all that. Magic is a technology."

You see how you just proved why people can agree with LOTR and not Harry Potter?

Yes, thats why people are OK with LORTR, and thats why you should be OK with Harry Potter. Its magic, not witchcraft. There are no supernatural demons helping Harry along.

[steelsheen]

The powers displayed in LoTR are 'natural' each person has had that 'gift' , that 'power' their whole life! Harry, from what I glean, has to learn to use his 'talents'.

[heartofgold]

The powers displayed in LoTR are 'natural' each person has had that 'gift' , that 'power' their whole life! Harry, from what I glean, has to learn to use his 'talents'

No. The story behind the book is all this time there have actually been these magical people you hear about in Fairy Tales, they've just been hidden. Most people in the world can't use magic, but Harry can, he's got the gift. He has to learn how to use the gift, like anyone with a gift does (for instance, I don't know if I'm a skilled metal worker, I've never tried, but I might be). But you can't take a non-magical person and teach him magic, he's got to have the gift first.

The people in LOTR had to learn how to hone their talent too.

[Armany]

I don't have time to say everything that I want to now, but I will give my two cents worth on one issue that has came up lately.

Heartofgold, you recently said that there was a difference between witchcraft and magic. Well, according to dictionary.com, withcraft is synonomous with magic in that magic is provided as one of the definitions to witchcraft.

Witchcraft and magic, the same thing, both deal with supernatural factors. Supernatural does not just refer to demons and spirits and the like; it is any device that exceeds natural means (as an aside, that is what I meant with my argument that Harry Potter uses "supernatural means" to cast spells, heartofgold, just for clarification. I think that you read me as accusing Harry Potter of calling upon demons or whatever, which was not the case). Therefore, any type of magic falls under God's ban of witchcraft/sorcery (see Deuteronomy). If Harry Potter is turning pigeons into yogurt containers, then that still is, by your own words, "magic." And magic is the definition of witchcraft. The two are one and the same.

That's all for now, folks! ;D

[awaz]

So what about Magicians and their magic tricks.

It's a trick of the eye, on stage, a special effect on movies (unless their really good), and whatever the author warts to make it in a book.

I believe it falls under "freedom of speech" which gives her the right to do whatever she wants.

(Which, by the way, is why you can smear her all over the floor in this thread.)

As far as cults are concerned, they are personal choice as well, which is why there are LOTR cults as well as Harry Potter cults, and The Lion the Which and the Wardrobe Cults (yes there are LTWTW cults, I checked) as well as cults for anything else under the sun.

[awaz]

And, as far as the poll goes, the book is harmless, untill you throw evil desires and sin into people who read the book (I am not saying the book inspires these things I am saying Saten can distort anything God, or anyone else puts out).

[heartofgold]

I don't have time to say everything that I want to now, but I will give my two cents worth on one issue that has came up lately.

Heartofgold, you recently said that there was a difference between witchcraft and magic. Well, according to dictionary.com, withcraft is synonomous with magic in that magic is provided as one of the definitions to witchcraft.

Witchcraft and magic, the same thing, both deal with supernatural factors. Supernatural does not just refer to demons and spirits and the like; it is any device that exceeds natural means (as an aside, that is what I meant with my argument that Harry Potter uses "supernatural means" to cast spells, heartofgold, just for clarification. I think that you read me as accusing Harry Potter of calling upon demons or whatever, which was not the case). Therefore, any type of magic falls under God's ban of witchcraft/sorcery (see Deuteronomy). If Harry Potter is turning pigeons into yogurt containers, then that still is, by your own words, "magic." And magic is the definition of witchcraft. The two are one and the same.

That's all for now, folks!

I'm going to have to assume you don't like fanatasy of any kind. Thats good, at least you got to a logical position on this. And I do respect you more for caring. But quite frankly, I have trouble believing Peter Pan is demonic and evil, but thats OK.

[Triphus (Titanian)]

I have to go, but I wanted to pipe in on Armany's little 2 cents. I very much disagree with you on the fact that witchcraft and magic are the same. Look at it this way, in Star Wars there is the "force", and within the "force" there is the good side and the bad side. I believe that magic is like the "force" and witchcraft is the "bad side" of magic.

To HoG, I tend to disagree with your thinking that Harry Potter is not witchcraft. Yes it is magic, but like i said above magic is nuetral, can be used for both good and bad, and in this case it is used for witchcraft which makes it bad. Now I can see how your saying HP is the good guy using witchcraft for good to defeat the bad guys, but u must understand that what he is using to defeat the bad guys is bad in itself. Just like in todays society there are ways to get things done. If a bad guy walked in to a store, you could either call the police (the good way), or you could just go up and shoot him urself (the bad way). Both ways get the bad guy out of ur hair, but one way is using bad, to get something done.

[heartofgold]

To HoG, I tend to disagree with your thinking that Harry Potter is not witchcraft. Yes it is magic, but like i said above magic is nuetral, can be used for both good and bad, and in this case it is used for witchcraft which makes it bad. Now I can see how your saying HP is the good guy using witchcraft for good to defeat the bad guys, but u must understand that what he is using to defeat the bad guys is bad in itself. Just like in todays society there are ways to get things done. If a bad guy walked in to a store, you could either call the police (the good way), or you could just go up and shoot him urself (the bad way). Both ways get the bad guy out of ur hair, but one way is using bad, to get something done

He's not using witchcraft!!! He's using the good side of magic!!!!! I must not be emphasizing this enough. THERE ARE NO EVIL SPIRITS GUIDING HARRY ALONG. HARRY DOES NOT CALL ON SPIRITS TO ACOMPLISH HIS TASKS. HARRY DOES FAIRY TALE MAGIC, THE GOOD SIDE OF THE FORCE.

OK, I'm done.

[Triphus (Titanian)]

he flies on a broom.......and puts spells on people........to me that's witchcraft.

[heartofgold]

he flies on a broom.......and puts spells on people........to me that's witchcraft.

But somehow Sleeping Beauty isn't? Rumpelstiltskin? Peter Pan? Snow White? etc. etc.