Homosexuals

[falklands]

Exactly. What I'm saying is I don't think lusting after a man is any worse that lusting after a woman. They're both sins, but I don't think any one is worse than the other.

But homosexuals think it's "natural" and that lusting after males is a good thing. As if lusting at all is a good thing...

[awaz]

what's the difference?

[falklands]

Both lust for a woman and lust for a man by a man are despicable sins in God's eyes. All sins are terrible. The only difference is that desire for the opposite sex was what God originally created (Satan corrupted it though), and homosexuality is contravening that. Romans 1 says of those who gave themselves over to idolatry:

"And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet"

[awaz]

so homosexual lust is a double sin.

[falklands]

1 Corinthians 6:18:

"Flee sexual immorality. Every other sin a person commits is outside the body, but the sexually immoral person sins against his own body."

[Geberia]

And how true it is that people who do that are hurting their own bodies! Being a homosexual isn't very healthy!

[Armany]

Heartofgold recently said that "God makes gay people, then tells them not to be gay." If you're saying that he makes them with a predisposition to like members of the same sex, then I disagree.

Why would God make someone (let's just say a man) with an affinity towards other males, then tell him, "You can't do that"? He would basically be giving them everything they need to sin, then giving them a warning to not do the thing He supposedly created them for. It doesn't make sense.

I believe that gay people are gay by choice. Anyone could decide to be gay at any point in time; it's just that, according to the laws of God and even the laws of nature, people are supposed to be straight. If you grow up in a Christian household, you generally build an aversion to homosexuality. If you grow up in a gay household, you'd probably be gay, because that's what you're taught. In either example, however, choice is a key component.

[heartofgold]

Well, I would be inclined to agree with you, except people have done tests and stuff. There are men attracted to other men. That in and of itself being a sin would be the same thing as saying "being attracted to anyone is a sin." I know someone who grew up in a Christian household and is gay. I also know someone who grew up in a gay household and is straight. So yes, there are people who are gay. I have science! ha ha!

[falklands]

The "science" trying to prove that gays are genetically gay is like the "science" trying to prove that we came from apes. It has an already predetermined conclusion that those scientists don't want to contravene and so through ignoring God's word they try to prove things that make them feel better about themselves.

[awaz]

For those people who don't know, Dennis Jernigan was gay. he says it is an ongoing battle to not disobey God. but he doesn't believe it is born in a person.

By the way, why would God create a person to intentionally disobey Him.

[falklands]

Satan tries to put unnatural lust into our heads to make us think we're justified in doing it.

[heartofgold]

OK first off, I'm not entirely convinced being gay is "natural." And I'm definitely not one of those, "its natural, so its OK" guys. However, I do wonder if it is a personal choice. For instance, the guy I know has said he doesn't want to be gay. But he's been gay as long as he can remember. Then Awaz made a good point with Dennis Jernigan. All this makes me think that being gay, as least sometimes, is like having the urge to kill someone, or having the urge to steal. So long as you don't kill or steal, your good.

[steelsheen]

In my somewhat simplistic mind, sin is sin. All is an abomination and abhorrent to God. Homosexuality is a sin. So is jealousy and lying- those come naturally!

However, I do not believe that Homosexuality is 'natural'. By its very definition it is UNnatural, not to mention foul.

And God created us perfect- male and female created he them! (no, I refuse to stoop to the pun of this) Sin entered the world through our disobedience- we were not created to sin!

[Geberia]

right, if that was not our original design, why would God make us that way now? Satan would; but God wouldn't.

[heartofgold]

right, if that was not our original design, why would God make us that way now? Satan would; but God wouldn't.

That's my point. God doesn't put the urge to kill people in us, but we have it. God doesn't put the urge to steal in us, but we have it. That's what I'm saying about Homosexuality.

My point is, I just have trouble believing that all these people who say they're struggling with it are hell-bound sinners who make the personal choice. I didn't make the choice to have the urge to kill people, but believe me, there are some people who make that urge rise up. That's all I'm saying. I don't think its natural, and I don't think its OK (I'm trying to not be made the bad guy again ).

[Geberia]

'k, well I still make very little or no allowances for gay/homosexual people

[steelsheen]

But they ARE people. And as such, they are to be treated with a modicum of respect... and how I wish I practiced that! It's sooo hard.

There is only one brand of people I can not tolerate or forgive- those who harm children.

If anyone can forgive them, it's God. And I would be happy to arrange the meeting.

[awaz]

Both homosexuality and harming little children are both sins. Both are just as bad. If you don't forgive people God won't forgive you. Mark 11:25 And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive him, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins."

[falklands]

I am sure Steelsheen knows that we ought to forgive everyone - but I know what she's saying. I will not tolerate in the least child abusers. It's a worse sin (in the respect that it harms others as well) in our eyes. Yes, sins can differ in seriousness in our eyes. Stealing a pencil is not as bad as deliberately murdering someone. Of course, we are all steeped in sin anyway, and all are deserving of death (leaving aside the Cross). But some are steeped in sin more than others. Wait, this is getting off the subject...

[awaz]

falklands said:

I am sure Steelsheen knows that we ought to forgive everyone - but I know what she's saying. I will not tolerate in the least child abusers. It's a worse sin (in the respect that it harms others as well) in our eyes. Yes, sins can differ in seriousness in our eyes. Stealing a pencil is not as bad as deliberately murdering someone. Of course, we are all steeped in sin anyway, and all are deserving of death (leaving aside the Cross). But some are steeped in sin more than others. Wait, this is getting off the subject...

So if I understand what you are saying. You are saying there some sins you would tolerate more than others?

Or that there are some sins that don't matter in comparison to other sins?

I don't entirely think that is what you are saying, but could you specify?

[steelsheen]

Umm, allow me to clarify something- I, personally, can NOT and will not forgive someone who purposely and maliciously harmed children. I can't. I should, yes, but I CAN'T. I don't even want to try, to tell the truth.

Sins I would tolerate? Excuse me, it's not up to us to tolerate anything. We don't make calls like that.

I personally can not point the finger at anyone for sin. I live in a glass house.

[gyn]

awaz said:

falklands said:

I am sure Steelsheen knows that we ought to forgive everyone - but I know what she's saying. I will not tolerate in the least child abusers. It's a worse sin (in the respect that it harms others as well) in our eyes. Yes, sins can differ in seriousness in our eyes. Stealing a pencil is not as bad as deliberately murdering someone. Of course, we are all steeped in sin anyway, and all are deserving of death (leaving aside the Cross). But some are steeped in sin more than others. Wait, this is getting off the subject...

So if I understand what you are saying. You are saying there some sins you would tolerate more than others?

Or that there are some sins that don't matter in comparison to other sins?

I don't entirely think that is what you are saying, but could you specify?

hmmmm. I'de say that some sins are worse than others. And i'm not trying to be judgmental, but iMHO, Some sins are greater than others. I've heard the illistration
" well, if all sins are all the same, why don't you kill a person instead of slapping them" ;D
yeah, that kinda goes to show that some sins are worse than others, i'm not sure its my place to judge which sins are worse, i think it speaks alittle if this in the Bible...umm.... someone help me out!? ;D

-oh this is me, Gynovia ( too lazy to login lol)

[awaz]

I would do that research, but I'm not on your side.

(I might do it later if I have time :-))

[gynovia]

awaz said:

I would do that research, but I'm not on your side.

oooh. yeah, i'm not 100% sure about what i just said either lol

[[Satanic] Mikor]

Homosexuality is a brain disorder where a man is stimulated by testosterone, instead of oestrogen.
Do you think someone would choose to be gay? I think its wierd, but they cant help it, maybe extensive brain surgery could 'fix' then, but nothing else.