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Post by Geberia on Sept 20, 2006 10:25:50 GMT -5
What, in your opinion, is the best strategy to end the war on Terror? I do not mean the war in Iraq, or Afghanistan, but in everywhere against terrorism.
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Post by LilyJ on Sept 23, 2006 22:18:43 GMT -5
Well, we're on the right track, but it could have been handled a little better to begin with. First off, I realize the whole WMD thing was a bit overblown on both sides - no, the situation wasn't as bad as the government would've wanted us to believe, but it also wasn't just about actual *weapons*, it was also about having the means to make them. Either way, it shouldn't have been used as a reson to get everyone fired up about invading Iraq back in whenwasit. (And I remember getting comments about being unpatriotic for thinking so back then - god times have changed). I also think we should've spent a little more time getting support from the UN, or at least from more countries. A War on Terror doesn't just concern us, it concerns the whole world, and the whole world should have a part to play. Now, fortunately, it seems like more countries are coming into this, which is great. What bugs me is that just because things are kinda stuck in stalemate right now, everyone's turned anti-war and we've got a Vietnam-type situation all over again. Now, more than ever, if when our troops really need the support. And the stupid media isn't exactly helping. I have this paranoid conspiracy theory that Terrorists are using our media to their advantage to create anti-American feeling even within America itself. I think I'm too tired to actually discuss this coherently....  |
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Post by gynovia on Sept 25, 2006 8:15:52 GMT -5
. Now, more than ever, if when our troops really need the support. And the stupid media isn't exactly helping. lol. since when have they ever? |
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Post by Geberia on Sept 25, 2006 10:19:46 GMT -5
I know I will get alot of criticism for this ( maybe here, but especially in the liberal world - not that I really care :-p ), but it is better to blow up a mosque and kill 100 civilians and 1 terrorist then to have that one terrorist go free and blow up 1,000 people. We can't keep playing this hide-and-go seek with them, because as long as we do, more terrorists will keep coming and coming, we'll just be wasting our energy and resources. We need to fight as they did in the Bible days, utterly destroy the enemy, then kindly rebuild the land.
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Post by heartofgold on Sept 25, 2006 11:21:05 GMT -5
I know I will get alot of criticism for this ( maybe here, but especially in the liberal world - not that I really care :-p ), but it is better to blow up a mosque and kill 100 civilians and 1 terrorist then to have that one terrorist go free and blow up 1,000 people. We can't keep playing this hide-and-go seek with them, because as long as we do, more terrorists will keep coming and coming, we'll just be wasting our energy and resources. We need to fight as they did in the Bible days, utterly destroy the enemy, then kindly rebuild the land. Um. OK well first off, I don't think your scenario quite works. You wait for him to leave the mosque, then you grab him. Its a lot less messy and slightly more profitable. Second, you want people to like you, don't blow up their mosques and kill a bunch of them. They won't care very much why you did it. I don't think your scenario would ever work. If a terrorist is hiding among civilians, and you know it, you either wait for him to leave, or you go in and get him. You don't just bomb the building a few dozen times to make sure he's dead. |
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Post by New Titania (TD) on Sept 25, 2006 23:35:21 GMT -5
It's true. You always have to factor regional politics into the equation. You blow up one mosque full of 20 people to get one terrorist...and you get 20 nations crawling on you threatining even greater Jihad. A lot of the people of the Mid-East are on our side and don't like the terrorists...but if we bomb their mosques, we'll "prove" to them that it's a war against all Muslims and that we hate them all. Of course, it's not true, but actions speak louder than words.
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Post by heartofgold on Sept 26, 2006 0:27:36 GMT -5
It's true. You always have to factor regional politics into the equation. You blow up one mosque full of 20 people to get one terrorist...and you get 20 nations crawling on you threatining even greater Jihad. A lot of the people of the Mid-East are on our side and don't like the terrorists...but if we bomb their mosques, we'll "prove" to them that it's a war against all Muslims and that we hate them all. Of course, it's not true, but actions speak louder than words. And then of course there's the fact that terrorists justify innocent lives lost by saying they died for a greater cause (I watched all this on TV, I know what I'm talking about  . We can't do the same thing, 'cause then we're terrorists too. |
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Post by Aslan the Great Lion on Sept 28, 2006 18:43:24 GMT -5
I doubt will can truely win, but we need to keep trying. One problem I have is w/ Saddam. We know he killed all those people. Why wait to keep him stalling the trial when we can sentence him to death now. He is going to die either when the trial gets over, which may be after he is dead which would just tick me off because we all know he is guilty. Why let him defend himself by making the trial longer. Get it over with. I would love it if he became a Christian, but I doubt it and he needs to be punished.
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Post by steelsheen on Sept 28, 2006 19:43:09 GMT -5
Just beacuse you were forgiven a crime does not mean you can escape the ramifications thereof.
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Post by Aslan the Great Lion on Sept 28, 2006 21:02:44 GMT -5
Just beacuse you were forgiven a crime does not mean you can escape the ramifications thereof. exactly |
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Post by heartofgold on Sept 28, 2006 22:23:40 GMT -5
Well, the justice system just takes a while period. The trial with Saddam is no different.
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Post by Geberia on Sept 29, 2006 8:36:51 GMT -5
I disagree. I think Sadam and his allies are trying to stall it. I mean, wouldn't you if you were him?
And ditto Steelsheen and Aslan.
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Post by heartofgold on Sept 29, 2006 11:01:34 GMT -5
I disagree. I think Sadam and his allies are trying to stall it. I mean, wouldn't you if you were him? Well, yes, that's how every American trial works. The defendant tries to stall as long as possible. But Iraq hasn't infiltrated the highest reaches of our government and are now stalling the trial. |
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Post by steelsheen on Sept 29, 2006 14:18:00 GMT -5
I do have to say I think there is a bigger game being played.
I for one feel as though I am only seeing Mona Lisa's eyes.
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Post by heartofgold on Sept 29, 2006 23:59:05 GMT -5
I do have to say I think there is a bigger game being played. I for one feel as though I am only seeing Mona Lisa's eyes. Well, um, uh-oh, we might want to look into this then. Don't you think there could be worse things happening than just Saddam's trial being delayed? If there was something more going on, whoever is behind it would try to do more than make sure Saddam dies later rather than sooner. I mean, you'd have to be in a pretty high position to do that, so there would be other things you could do. Anyway, parents are lawyers, so trust me. All trials take this long, especially a big one like this. |
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Post by steelsheen on Sept 30, 2006 8:04:29 GMT -5
I was actually not referring solely to the trial.
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Post by New Titania (TD) on Sept 30, 2006 10:01:25 GMT -5
Well, the justice system just takes a while period. The trial with Saddam is no different. Yeah...but don't forget that this is the Iraqi justice system. It just got put into place--it's brand new and nobody knows what they're doing over there yet. I've no doubt that Saddam will be hung (or something) eventually...but it's going to take this fledgling democracy a little while to get this chicken kickin'. |
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Post by LilyJ on Sept 30, 2006 15:27:23 GMT -5
You're forgetting, too, that thi trial is being used to make a point - Saddam killed his opposition on a whim. We can't do the same thing. The Iraqi justice system has to be shown to work, and everyone needs to be treated equally, regardless of who they are. As for steelsheen's conspiracy theory... The only way I could see terrorists attacking our government is by taking advantage of our dependence on oil from the Middle East. If, in some way, they take control of the oil fields, they would absolutely cripple our economy. Of course, they've already done a lot just by drawing up overseas and making us spend millions on the war.... It's become a race as to what will be gone first - terrorists or US money. |
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Post by heartofgold on Oct 1, 2006 8:35:28 GMT -5
I was actually not referring solely to the trial. Oh, well then what are you referring too? |
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Post by steelsheen on Oct 1, 2006 13:14:53 GMT -5
This whole mess they call our world. The media in general. Quite frankly, I don't think I want to find out how far down the rabbit hole goes.
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Post by heartofgold on Oct 2, 2006 11:42:14 GMT -5
This whole mess they call our world. The media in general. Quite frankly, I don't think I want to find out how far down the rabbit hole goes. Well there's no vast conspiracy there. The media is showing what the people want, which right now happens to be Bush Bashing. The rest of the world now just happens to have better weapons, making evil people slightly more of a threat. But there isn't anybody "behind all this." The world is still a strange place with a lot of strange people with their own strange goals in mind. |
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Post by steelsheen on Oct 2, 2006 14:00:17 GMT -5
I guess I'm just not speaking clearly. Ah well.  |
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Post by Geberia on Oct 2, 2006 16:16:37 GMT -5
This whole mess they call our world. The media in general. Quite frankly, I don't think I want to find out how far down the rabbit hole goes. Well there's no vast conspiracy there. The media is showing what the people want, which right now happens to be Bush Bashing. The rest of the world now just happens to have better weapons, making evil people slightly more of a threat. But there isn't anybody "behind all this." The world is still a strange place with a lot of strange people with their own strange goals in mind. Well, who knows? I believe the devil is behind some of it all....I mean obviously he has to be because these people are worshipping a false god. |
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Post by heartofgold on Oct 2, 2006 22:51:07 GMT -5
Well, yes. I kinda meant somebody new (like a person). The devil's been around for a while.
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Post by steelsheen on Oct 3, 2006 19:36:32 GMT -5
What people? Muslims? No, I'm afraid they're not. They are worshipping the one God, Allah, the God of Abraham... and Ishmael.
At least, from a certain point of view.
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. We can't do the same thing, 'cause then we're terrorists too.
