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Post by gynovia on Apr 25, 2006 14:51:27 GMT -5
What do you all think about the rising gasoline prices? Whats the best solution? Do you think President Bush is handling it right?  |
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Post by Triphus (Titanian) on Apr 25, 2006 15:33:30 GMT -5
i think the government is really stupid for not really taking alternatives for what they really are. I mean there are so many different actions we could take: like going to Ethanol, Corn oil, even Solar power if it came down to it. I mean if the government honostly just put in a good amount of investment into researching these alternatives for oil and then put them into practice our government would save a ton of money in the future. I don't exactly know all that Bush is doing to handle it so I can't say, but I know that no President has even started to look into an alternative to gas.........all they do is see how we can best maintain more gas.......not just use a different source.
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Post by Triphus (Titanian) on Apr 25, 2006 15:50:41 GMT -5
Hey ok so i looked into what Bush has doin recently about gas prices and here is a link to a good article i found: www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=adSVuSrAsIfo&refer=usI think he is doing a very smart thing in stating that his long term change will be resorting to ethanol, but I'm not sure I agree in his short term answer of easing off of environmental laws. I think that easing off of environmental laws might do more harm than good just because of the fact that if we start polluting the environment even more than we already are, water is going to turn to acid, and we'll have bigger problems in the future. so overall i like his long term......don't agree with the short term. |
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Post by Geberia on Apr 26, 2006 9:24:03 GMT -5
Umm well I think that the government should let us drill more in Alaska and places like that. I mean even if it is a national reserve or whatever, how many of you are actually going to go there? Now if it was the Grand Canyon, I would say no, but no one really ever heard of this place in AK until we wanted to drill for oil there.
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Post by Triphus (Titanian) on Apr 26, 2006 16:25:37 GMT -5
well I'm definitely not a big environmentalist or anything, but have you seen the pictures of the animals after the last big oil spil in Alaska? It was pretty horrible. Just because we may never go there, there are plenty of animals that God allowed life on this earth, and I don't think it is our right to drill up oil there and very probably destroy their home.......and not to mention kill them
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Post by chanteurs on Apr 26, 2006 16:36:21 GMT -5
I agree with Triphus on this. Especially since the oil in that one reserve (I can't remember its name) would be entirely drained in less than a year if drilling was done. 5 years of American gas-guzzling is not worth permenantly damaging a fragile ecosystem, let alone 1 year!
Ethanol or Hydrogen would be the best way to go. The Earth is going to run out of nonrenewable energy some day, and we need to be ready for it. Not to mention global warming...
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Post by steelsheen on Apr 26, 2006 16:51:55 GMT -5
Re oil spill- the ocean etc cleans itself, really it does! It's cool!
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Post by awaz on Apr 26, 2006 17:46:41 GMT -5
Did you know that there is a $.70 tax to gas stations on every gallon of gas they sell.
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Post by Triphus (Titanian) on Apr 26, 2006 20:30:21 GMT -5
Steelsheen, I know that the ocean cleans itself, (which is like flippin sweet) but that doesn't stop the fact that in that time that it takes to "fix" itself a bunch of animals die............
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Post by henk on Apr 27, 2006 8:23:25 GMT -5
As I did a paper on the problems of fossil fuel-usage and renewable energy sources, I have some data that you might be interested in: ---  This graph shows various estimates of how long we will still have oil.  This graph shows the approximate annual amount of energy used by humanity. Note that the Y-axis is on a logarithmic scale. (IE energy usage is exponential).  Some more recent figures on global oil-usage. And finally, looking into the future, predictions are that fossil fuel usage will increase, and that usage of renewable energy sources will not change significantly.  --- I hope this data can give you some facts to base your opinions on Oh yeah, and the conclusion of my paper was this: We must invest money in new energy sources, and in research to them. The money for this must come from increased taxes. An unpopular but necessary policy in our view (I did this paper with a fellow student). |
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Post by heartofgold on Apr 27, 2006 11:19:12 GMT -5
Great! I'll be dead before anything happens! Problem solved, lets go home everybody. ;D
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Post by gynovia on Apr 29, 2006 15:43:53 GMT -5
Great! I'll be dead before anything happens! Problem solved, lets go home everybody. ;D gees.  dont you care about your kids and grandchildren? or will they have to go back to horse and buggy cuz oil is too expensive!? ;D lol jk jk |
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Post by henk on Apr 30, 2006 14:01:40 GMT -5
Did anyone here read a dystopian novel called "On the beach" by Nevill Shute? That's slightly relevant, too. In the book there's an fuel crisis (as the complete northern hemisphere is under fallout), and people start 'inventing' other ways of getting around. It's quite interesting to read. Depressing, too btw  Link to info: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_The_Beach |
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Post by Geberia on May 1, 2006 10:44:18 GMT -5
Nope, never read it....I try to stay away from depressing books, because they make me, well, depressed!!! I think we should spend more money trying to develop alternate fuels though.
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Post by henk on May 1, 2006 14:56:51 GMT -5
(...) I think we should spend more money trying to develop alternate fuels though. Agreed, and further develop and utilize nuclear power. |
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Post by gynovia on May 1, 2006 15:55:09 GMT -5
How about solar energy? ( coudn't you picture a car being run by solar energy ;D lol)
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Post by awaz on May 1, 2006 21:17:31 GMT -5
There were some alternative fuel sources that were being developed, but the government came in, found a problem with whatever, and shut them down.
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Post by Aslan the Great Lion on Aug 14, 2006 15:55:51 GMT -5
i think the rich gas people need to give some money back to us, they don't need a billions of dollars while we have to find ways to pay for gas. i don't like how the prices go up and so do the accounts of gas giants. i don't think Bush is at fault, we need to develop some alternate ways
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Post by LilyJ on Aug 21, 2006 16:51:23 GMT -5
Well, developing alternatives is obviously the big goal, but what do we do in the meantime? I think, first of all, the government needs to offer tax breaks to car companies/dealers that build more fuel-efficient cars. (Like Geo Metros!!!! 43 MPG, whoohoo!!!  ) Did you know that the reason international car companies (like Toyota) are leading in fuel efficiency is because American companies are taxed outta their minds when they try to do the same thing? Before anything can happen, the power needs to leave the hands of the so-called "gas giants". And we need to drive SmartCars. ;D lol Second, there should be an increase in public transportation. I live out in the middle of nowhere, and I have to drive like 30 miles to catch any kind of bus! Now, I've lived in Germany, and the public transportation system there is amazing. You use your car like once a week. (And if you drive a gas efficient car, that means you fill up like every month or two.) Third, I agree that we need to start looking for places to drill over here - and actually invest in safe equipment to do it with! We can't depend on the Middle East for fuel, but we still need something to keep us running until we've developed alternative enegry sources (and I'm not talking about Dunkin' Donuts!  ) Yes, we need to protect the environment, but if we go at the rate we're going right now, we'll have zillions of problems coming up anyway. So while we're trying to make it better and safer, I think it's all right to sacrifice a little bit! And with safe equipment, hazards can be kept to a minimum, right? Gah, I didn't mean to write an essay.... |
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Post by Aslan the Great Lion on Aug 22, 2006 8:30:04 GMT -5
i think we need to drill more in Alaska. i know this might sound mean, but, i care more about having money in my wallet than about a few animals living in Alaska that are eventually going to die anyway. what good does it do if we are all broke and the animals are living happily...nothing IMO.
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Post by nella on Aug 22, 2006 11:10:28 GMT -5
We need to be good stewards, Aslan, AND we need to follow suggestions like Nen (LilyJ) made. That said, we also have to remember that God is in control. He's not going to let people run out of oil or gas or anything unless He sees fit.
~Nella
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Post by Aslan the Great Lion on Aug 22, 2006 12:20:17 GMT -5
yes, but i think we will run of out oil eventually. i am all for newer, cheap ways, but right now none have been found to made cheap and work good like gas, so we need to find more areas to dig so we don't run out of gas and so we don't have to fund people who hang out with terrorists by buying oil from the Middle East
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Post by LilyJ on Aug 22, 2006 18:07:21 GMT -5
Or find better ways of making the oil we've got last as a temporary solution....
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Post by grerry on Aug 31, 2006 8:11:29 GMT -5
The longer we let the Middle East control how much oil we get and the longer the government lets componies up the prices because of a hurricane that may not even hit the Golf of Mexico we'll (in Oklahoma) be paying $3.50 at the pump before you know it.
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Post by nella on Sept 1, 2006 12:48:33 GMT -5
I just heard an interesting thing on the radio about this. You can't apply the supply and demand principle to gas, because the supply is not infinite, but the demand is going to stay the same or increase, which presents and interesting dilema.
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dont you care about your kids and grandchildren? or will they have to go back to horse and buggy cuz oil is too expensive!? ;D lol jk jk 
) Yes, we need to protect the environment, but if we go at the rate we're going right now, we'll have zillions of problems coming up anyway. So while we're trying to make it better and safer, I think it's all right to sacrifice a little bit! And with safe equipment, hazards can be kept to a minimum, right?