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Post by Geberia on Dec 15, 2005 13:33:33 GMT -5
What is your opinion on Gun Control?
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Post by heartofgold on Dec 15, 2005 14:24:07 GMT -5
Not worth it. Making a law is not going to keep criminals from getting guns. And its still going to be easy to get guns through a black market.
Oh, and there's the bumper sticker, "If guns are banned, can we carry swords?" heh, heh.
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Post by falklands on Dec 15, 2005 14:36:10 GMT -5
I agree with heartofgold. In England, almost no one is allowed to carry a gun (The government says "we'll do the protecting"). That law was instated a few years ago, and now Britian has higher gun crime rates than it did before the law. It's living proof of Gun-Control uselessness.
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Post by heartofgold on Dec 15, 2005 14:57:55 GMT -5
Shocking!!  Another good story. Some guy whose name I can't remember was running around Oklahoma and Arkansas killing people. Not good. Massive manhunt going on, and nobody can find this guy. Still not good. He ends up carjacking a couple from Arkansas, but since they were from Arkansas, they had a gun . They shoot this guy, and now he's sitting in prison. Good. With gun control this couple ends up dead and this guy still on the loose. |
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Post by Armany on Dec 15, 2005 16:22:30 GMT -5
I agree with both Heartofgold and Falklands here, and I think that this sentiment will be pretty unanimous here. Gun control is just the government trying to step in and deny another personal right. As you two have said, gun control does more harm than good.
I believe that one of the core issues behind this individual topic is the invasion of privacy and the invasion of the rights of the people by the government. They say they're out to protect us, but then slowly make us ever the more dependent upon governmental institutions and hand-outs. This is something that many conspiracy theorists think will lead to an increasingly opressive government and, for those whose sympathies lie within the evangelical Christian camp, to a global government.
What do you guys think about the government's seemingly heavy meddling with the rights and liberties of citizens?
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Post by falklands on Dec 15, 2005 19:07:57 GMT -5
I think that a certain amount of control may be excercised as it pertains to the moral standards everyone should uphold. Of course, there are problems with that (not everyone's perfect, you know ;D). People can abuse this, leading to a quasi-theocracy (not a real theocracy; in reality God should be the government ). However, the government should uphold principles that work towards people's own good instead of withholding those principles without which the State would degenerate into liberalism. Yet other rights the government should not restrict, such as the right to defend oneself (read this thread's subject), the right to privacy (note that does NOT include a woman's "right" to kill a human being inside her womb), and so on. England (and a lot of Europe), I am sad to say, is an example of the opposite. It is increasingly becoming more liberal in it's treatment of ethics, lavishly bestowing the right to do whatever one wants so long as they don't hurt anyone, and taking away the right to oppose that. However, it is the country with the most surveillance in the world, building databases and increasingly intrusive ways to get information about everyone. The government is seeking to restrict people's rights to defend themselves, saying that they can do the protecting. Even firing a gun in self-defence is deemed worthy of years in jail. Add to that high taxes, and you see a liberal, big-government, socialist bureaucracy. Of course, it probably isn't as bad as all that, but I'm fearful for my homeland. Come on, England, regain your long-castigated motto: "In God we Trust"! |
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Post by steelsheen on Dec 15, 2005 21:54:37 GMT -5
Gun control- yes, I believe in it!
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Post by falklands on Dec 15, 2005 22:08:53 GMT -5
Exactly why do you believe in Gun Control, Steelsheen?
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Post by New Titania (TD) on Dec 16, 2005 0:40:08 GMT -5
Scott Eizember. Aw, come on, my favorite card-carrying geek is for gun control?  I am completely against it! |
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Post by New Titania (TD) on Dec 16, 2005 0:41:39 GMT -5
As you should be.  |
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Post by gynovia on Dec 16, 2005 12:45:13 GMT -5
why didn't i see this thread earlier??!.... anyway.. yeah, i agree with most of you. I'm against gun control.
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Post by Geberia on Dec 16, 2005 13:47:51 GMT -5
Just as long as the guns are given out to the right people!
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Post by falklands on Dec 16, 2005 14:09:08 GMT -5
To put my position more clearly: I don't think gun control is a good thing, when it is used excessively. For example, you can have your licensed semiautomatic in the closet to defend your family, but the government shouldn't allow you to have sniper rifles and bombs in abundance. Also, I'd be against letting convicted criminals have access to guns. But in general, gun control doesn't work that much.
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Post by heartofgold on Dec 16, 2005 16:09:30 GMT -5
Well thats true. I don't think people would buy bombs for self defence...
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Post by steelsheen on Dec 16, 2005 23:23:42 GMT -5
Why I support gun control--- Let me see- I believe in a three day wait to buy a gun- it cuts down on 'I'm forgot my meds, I am angry, I kill someone' killings. I believe also in a back ground check. I do not want a violent criminal to be able to easily obtain a friction action weapon.
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ashbash
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Post by ashbash on Dec 18, 2005 1:06:32 GMT -5
in australia, basically no-one has a gun unless u live in the country/outback on a farm or something
or unless you're a violent criminal who likes to kill things
apparently u guys can buy guns in kmart? now that's rorted
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Post by heartofgold on Dec 18, 2005 8:07:38 GMT -5
I don't know, if K-Mart started selling guns, business might pick up...
The point of having a gun is to protect yourself from violent criminals who like to kill things.
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Post by Triphus (Titanian) on Dec 18, 2005 19:08:55 GMT -5
yeah i agree that gun control would be a useless law, and that instead we should just enforce restrictions on it such as certain guns one is allowed to carry and such
(they don't sell guns at Kmart, but u could always get one at Walmart!)
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Post by gynovia on Dec 18, 2005 19:36:07 GMT -5
right. its its not right to be like, giving away guns, especially to ex-criminals, there should be restrictions. hehe, yeah you can get almost anything at walmart |
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Post by torc on Dec 18, 2005 23:31:36 GMT -5
To be honest, Guns are necessary in a free society because they allow the poeple to secure themselves against an oppressive government, and the other citizens of the area.
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Post by New Titania (TD) on Dec 19, 2005 0:48:17 GMT -5
right. its its not right to be like, giving away guns, You have to buy them....no freebies at wally world! |
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ashbash
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Post by ashbash on Dec 19, 2005 0:51:36 GMT -5
the thing is, right, there aren't really that many violent criminals who like to kill things here
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Post by New Titania (TD) on Dec 19, 2005 3:00:29 GMT -5
ARE YOU CALLING ME A THING?
;D
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Post by gynovia on Dec 19, 2005 11:10:53 GMT -5
haha, his name is TD |
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Post by falklands on Dec 19, 2005 19:58:36 GMT -5
You may be a thing, but you're right all the same.
;D
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