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Post by GDL on May 31, 2005 19:19:31 GMT -5
I say an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.
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Post by TheCatholic on May 31, 2005 22:06:06 GMT -5
And yet Jesus Himself said to the would-be executioners of the adultress: "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." (John 8:7). I don't think that humans have the right to condemn other humans to death; only God can disipline his children in that way.
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Post by GDL on Jun 1, 2005 8:51:53 GMT -5
But yet it also says in the bible an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.
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Post by Chocolate Bar on Jun 1, 2005 12:13:21 GMT -5
But yet it also says in the bible an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. Jesus says "You have heard an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth but I say to you if someone hits you on you on your cheek turn your head so he may hit you on the other side". I paraphrased it. He said this in the Sermon on the Mountain. |
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Post by Triphus (Titanian) on Jun 1, 2005 12:13:40 GMT -5
Where does it say that GDL?
The only thing like that that I have read in the Bible is when it talks about turning your other cheek.
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Post by GDL on Jun 1, 2005 12:35:18 GMT -5
old test.
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Post by Siko Michael on Jun 1, 2005 15:03:42 GMT -5
GDL is right its in the old test. but yet jesus basically tells them to turn the other cheak making the older statement somewhat "invalid".
THE ENSAIN SIKO
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Post by GDL on Jun 1, 2005 15:26:31 GMT -5
oh yeah, oops. But some people do deserve it like timothy McVaigh.
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Post by TheCatholic on Jun 2, 2005 17:31:30 GMT -5
I think we as humans can't make that call; whther or not someone 'deserves' it. When people do terrible things, our inner urge for vengance tends to win out, but it accomplishes nothing.
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Post by GDL on Jun 2, 2005 17:38:31 GMT -5
So you think that Osana Bin Laden doesn't deserve it?
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Post by TheCatholic on Jun 2, 2005 17:55:16 GMT -5
GDL: I'm saying that we shouldn't make that call. If the US military caught him, I would hope that they would not kill him (as that really doesn't do any good), but try to make him realize what he did was wong, and let him repent, so that he might be saved.
Just killing a criminal only satisfies our urge for revenge. And revenge is not a good thing.
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Post by GDL on Jun 2, 2005 20:58:49 GMT -5
I think that, that evil man should be put in a plane (remote controlled) and ram the plane into a dessert and kill him just like he killed thousands on 9/11
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Post by Siko Michael on Jun 2, 2005 21:34:45 GMT -5
um....GDL arent u getting down to THEIR/HIS level we must forgive whatever bad things that they have done. Since we ourselves are constantly being forgiven by god for the measly(sp?) sins that we do throughout our lives, so if we can be forgiven why cant they be forgiven?
THE ENSAIN SIKO
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Post by Armany on Jun 3, 2005 15:02:42 GMT -5
An interesting subject...
There are pros and cons for both sides. It is, as TheCatholic said, our natural impulse to seek revenge for sins committed against us, but then Jesus did preach forgiveness and mercy. I believe that as a society we do have to punish criminals, but that we should only reserve the death penalty for certain individuals who are eminent dangers to society and that could instigate more crime even from a jail cell.
My simple and old-fashioned solution as to the punishment for criminals is that they should be sent to labor camps. In this way we avoid eternally dooming their souls to Hell by giving them the chance to repent, but they are still meted out a punishment that will teach them a lesson and are going to be doing labor that will hopefully improve society as a whole by building or working at certain jobs that are needed to be completed.
I believe that Oregon has already instituted such a system in their state.
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Post by Geberia on Jun 7, 2005 10:16:58 GMT -5
My thoughts on the death penalty -
i believe the death penalty is Biblical. I also believe in the death penalty (DP) because I think of it like this -
Say a 16 yr old guy kills a 16 year old girl. He gets arrested and after a long trial, gets sentenced to 50 yrs. in prison. That's not right. To me, that's like saying that the girls whole life was only worth 50 yrs of the guys'.
Another thing i'd like to mention is that nowadays, it usually takes a good 9 mo. or more before the execution is carried out. That's enough time to get converted.
I am thankful for one death penalty that was carried out - the one of a man named Jesus Christ.
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Post by Triphus (Titanian) on Jun 7, 2005 17:45:08 GMT -5
actually Geberia, if the guy who killed the girl was only 16 they would have to let him go when he turned 18 because he would be considered a juvenile.
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Post by Geberia on Jun 8, 2005 10:36:01 GMT -5
Well, whatever, that wasn't my point. Say he was 30.
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Post by GDL on Jun 8, 2005 10:56:47 GMT -5
lol  |
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Post by New Titania (TD) on Jun 8, 2005 11:09:38 GMT -5
An interesting topic.... I believe that when a man or women (over 18  ) kills someone, that they have forfeighted their own right to live. The government has a responsiblity to get rid of threats to society, that's why we HAVE a government. Jesus, however, was preaching to the individual people. If someone came and robbed my house, I wouldn't pull out my gun and pop him, I'd get him arrested, because it is the government's authority to try and maybe sentence that person. |
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Post by GDL on Jun 8, 2005 11:25:48 GMT -5
I'd threaten with a gun and have it loaded (incase something happened) but know you just shouldn't open fire on someone if they rob your house.
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Post by New Titania (TD) on Jun 8, 2005 12:17:46 GMT -5
BTW, in Matthew 5:38, Jesus is referencing an old statement, "an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth." However, in this passage he is preaching against this practice.
As I said earlier, the normal, everyday citizen has should not kill, but the government's job is to protect its people, and it does that by fighting wars and executing criminals that have killed other people among other things.
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Post by Armany on Jun 8, 2005 13:53:23 GMT -5
If you kill someone, though, they just sit in the pen for 19 years and take up tax dollars so we can keep them alive. I still say labor is a better alternative than jail. For murder, the death penalty should probably be considered.
However, you're overlooking the story of Mary Magdalene (sp?), TD. She had every right to be executed under the Mosaic Covenant, but Jesus basically pardoned her sins. I know that she only commited adultery, but that is tantamount to killing someone in God's book, because Jesus said that if you even think a sinful thought, then you are sinning.
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Post by GDL on Jun 8, 2005 15:24:25 GMT -5
Yes. However she was an Adulteress and she also was being tried unfairly because the man she was cheating with wasn't brought before the court.
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Post by New Titania (TD) on Jun 8, 2005 23:12:42 GMT -5
I think we ALL can agree that laws back in Jesus' time were NOT fair! Heck, they got Jesus exectued because of the popular opinion of the time.
I'm just saying that w/ modern laws, if a person commits murder, they probably should be put to death.
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Post by GDL on Jun 9, 2005 9:06:48 GMT -5
Poor Jesus. Those hypocrtical Pharisees and Saducees knew who they were killing. Do you know what the sad part is? A pagan knew why they were killing Jesus!
And if a Pagan knew there real reason then they were surely d****d for all eternity.
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) kills someone, that they have forfeighted their own right to live. The government has a responsiblity to get rid of threats to society, that's why we HAVE a government.