Amendment to the Constitution

[Triphus (Titanian)]

After I saw Chocolate Bar was running for Delegate I was wondering if that was possible. I re-read through the Constitution and there is nothing in there about how the Delegate is appointed his or her position.

The Position of Delegate

Section 1: Be it that the position of Delegate is very important to the care and maintenance of the region the position should be elected by the members of the region. All members of 0000000000 Christian Teens hold equal rights in appointing their own Delegate to a) vote on UN issues b) hold the power to eject a nation when the Council of Law votes for it c) discuss plans, ideas, and give advice to the President and the Council of Law

Section 2: Be it that the position of Delegate is a strong position in the government of 0000000000 Christian Teens the term limit for such a position must be short. After every 3 months there will be a new election for Delegate. Although there will be no limit on how many terms any Delegate can run unless having committed a crime and prosecuted by the Council of Law, in which he or she may no longer run for office of Delegate.

[Armany]

I hate to sound contrary, as I seem to have been sounding lately, but I disagree. I might be all right with the election-deal (though I think that UN members should determine this), but the term limit seems to be giving us one more thing to have to organize. Our region is already rather slow in the presidential and CoL elections, so adding another election may not run very efficiently, IMHO.

I like the general idea and am OK with the first point. For me, though, the devil is in the details of the second point. This "devil" may not be that encumbering at all, though.

A suggestion: Maybe you could space out the term limit to be more in coordination with our general elections, which I believe are 4 months (correct me if I'm wrong).

[Triphus (Titanian)]

oh that makes sense, for some reason i had stuck in my head that the general elections were every 6 months.

[Triphus (Titanian)]

The Position of Delegate

Section 1: Be it that the position of Delegate is very important to the care and maintenance of the region the position should be elected by the members of the region. All members of 0000000000 Christian Teens hold equal rights in appointing their own Delegate to a) vote on UN issues b) hold the power to eject a nation when the Council of Law votes for it c) discuss plans, ideas, and give advice to the President and the Council of Law

Section 2: Be it that the position of Delegate is a strong position in the government of 0000000000 Christian Teens the term limit for such a position should coincide (sp?) with the general elections. After every 4 months there will be a new election for Delegate. Although there will be no limit on how many terms any Delegate can run unless having committed a crime and prosecuted by the Council of Law, in which he or she may no longer run for office of Delegate.

[New Titania (TD)]

I must agree with Armany on some points.

The Delegate position, in my opinion, should be as it always has been, an election every morning around 2 am. I mean, members swindling U.N. endorsements and promising to be a great Delegate has been a part of CT forever...that's how I got my start. I think it's pretty cool that the Delegacy is an election that's held year round so that people who are qualified and good for a position of power don't neccesarily have to wait for the next election and run against well established members of CT.

Second, it's extremely hard to have an "election" for Delegate. For instance, when I (in the nation, Aornia) was Delegate and resigned to run for Vice President, we had to get everybody to un-endorse me (a struggle), we had to then tell everyone to endorse Misty as Delegate because nobody wanted to be Delegate. THEN, we had to tell everyone to un-endorse Misty and endorse their choice for Delegate. It would be an extreme pain, and people are going to endorse who they want to anyway. What are we going to do if NationA is Delegate and is only halfway into his 3 month (or w/e) term and NationB gets enough people to endorse himself for Delegate? Do we threaten NationB stating that NationA is still in his mid-term, or do we tell everyone to un-endorse NationB and tell them that they don't really have the right to endorse who they want to be Delegate?

As a Presidential candidate, I would, no doubt, love to have this power added to my arsenal of regional responsibilities, but I must put the long-term good of the region ahead of my own wants. I am against this.

[Chocolate Bar]

I am also opposed to this. One of the funnest parts of NS is watching people compete shamelessly for Delegate. On a more practical note it could get confusing to keep up with all these elections.I just don't see a need for this, why fix something that isn't broken?

[Triphus (Titanian)]

ok well i can see why you guys stand where you are, but don't u think that allowing the delegacy to be free for anyone who happens to win the endorsements for the day extremely open for invasion? If we had an election and then required all UN members to endorse that Delegate, then there would be slim to no chance of possible invasion.

[Chocolate Bar]

titanian said:

ok well i can see why you guys stand where you are, but don't u think that allowing the delegacy to be free for anyone who happens to win the endorsements for the day extremely open for invasion? If we had an election and then required all UN members to endorse that Delegate, then there would be slim to no chance of possible invasion.

So far we have not had any trouble with someone who planned invasion becoming delegate. The closest thing to that was when Aornia was hacked. Even if we were invaded, we are safe unless Misty is hacked.

[New Titania (TD)]

titanian said:

ok well i can see why you guys stand where you are, but don't u think that allowing the delegacy to be free for anyone who happens to win the endorsements for the day extremely open for invasion? If we had an election and then required all UN members to endorse that Delegate, then there would be slim to no chance of possible invasion.

The delegacy is free for anyone who happens to win the endorsments for the day whether or not this amendment passes! Don't you realize that all this does is make us pickier about who is delegate...it adds absolutely no safety!

[Armany]

We have a founder. Even if the Founder gets ejected, she still retains regional control.

I agree with TD and Choco. Their sentiments are basically the same as mine. I might tolerate this amendment, but would rather not have it pass.

[theradstr]

If I may also add. I tend to agree that this really would add no safety, and would do nothing more than further complicate an already complex set up. Also, I do not speak for everyone, but I am personally very selective about who I give my endorsements to. Leaving this open also will present the opportunity for the governor of a region to remove his/her endorsment for a regional delegate based on the positions they have taken on the issues in the United Nations. This will be a way of helping to keep the delegate accountable for his/her actions in the UN, by their knowing that their position is fluid, and they are always open to removal.

[Armany]

theradstr said:

If I may also add. I tend to agree that this really would add no safety, and would do nothing more than further complicate an already complex set up. Also, I do not speak for everyone, but I am personally very selective about who I give my endorsements to. Leaving this open also will present the opportunity for the governor of a region to remove his/her endorsment for a regional delegate based on the positions they have taken on the issues in the United Nations. This will be a way of helping to keep the delegate accountable for his/her actions in the UN, by their knowing that their position is fluid, and they are always open to removal.

Good point. I don't give endorsements to just anyone, either.

[Geberia]

But some people would. I agree with Triphus, the delegacy is an extremely important position in CT. I say we should have it like this, that the President of CT will select 3 people that want to be delegate, then present them to the people. Whoever has the most endorsements at the end of a certain timeframe becomes the delegate and the other hopefuls will ask the people who have endorsed them to endorse the winning candidate.
Because the president would pick the 3 candidates, there is virtually little or no risk of them being "invaders". But of course the cOl would have to approve of the candidates.

[Chocolate Bar]

geberia said:

But some people would. I agree with Triphus, the delegacy is an extremely important position in CT. I say we should have it like this, that the President of CT will select 3 people that want to be delegate, then present them to the people. Whoever has the most endorsements at the end of a certain timeframe becomes the delegate and the other hopefuls will ask the people who have endorsed them to endorse the winning candidate.
Because the president would pick the 3 candidates, there is virtually little or no risk of them being "invaders". But of course the cOl would have to approve of the candidates.

The delegate is not as powerful as it once was. When TD and Titanian were delegate their power was only rivalved by Misty's. The delegacy is pretty much only for show now.

Anyway, we can't be invaded if we have Misty. Even if we are invaded and Misty is ejected she still can access Regional Control and eject the nation who took the delegacy. That's why most invasions happen to regions where the founder has died out.

[Armany]

Yep, Choco's right. This all goes back to what Theradstr said: Any sort of election for a Delegate just takes too much time. Do we really need a constitutional amendment, creating yet another election or selection process, regarding a position that is of a diminshed importance? I think not, IMHO.

[New Titania (TD)]

geberia said:

But of course the cOl would have to approve of the candidates.

My my, we do love creating beurocracies in our CT government, don't we? So the President's nominees for Delegate would have to be approved by the Council of Law? I don't think so. First, you're trying to give the President the power to select a Delegate, now the CoL has the power to derail that nomination.

The whole thing would be a big mess. We've barely gotten this election off to a start, and we're going to need to do some reforms with our regular Presidential and CoL elections, much less worry about electing a Delegate and the proccesses involved.

[Geberia]

And yet we do want to have a delegate that will be best for the intrests of the reigon.

Okay, scratch the idea of the COL approving. That was dumb anyways.

I still believe that not anyone should have the delegacy, though. Mainly for the sake of our testimony around NS. I don't think it would be wise for us to call ourselves a Christian reigon and then have someone ( and I mean absolutly no offence to this person/nation, I'm just using them as an example) such as Pot Farmers represent us.

[New Titania (TD)]

Would the nations of CT endorse Pot Farmers? I think not. We have to be able to give the people the choice of who they endorse.

[Triphus (Titanian)]

This is true, by endorsing the person the nations are in a way voting on their delegate.

[Armany]

geberia said:

And yet we do want to have a delegate that will be best for the intrests of the reigon.

I still believe that not anyone should have the delegacy, though. Mainly for the sake of our testimony around NS. I don't think it would be wise for us to call ourselves a Christian reigon and then have someone ( and I mean absolutly no offence to this person/nation, I'm just using them as an example) such as Pot Farmers represent us.

It is the responsibility of the UN members of CT to decide whom they want as Delegate. That should be their right, and if the non-UN nations want to change the Delegate, then they'll just have to apply for the UN or else try to affect change in some other way.

[Triphus (Titanian)]

ok consider this ammendment null and void

[New Titania (TD)]

Well actually, it can't really be considered null and void because it was never made into law.... .....but ok, you're "withdrawing" the amendment from consideration.

[Geberia]

agreed. I'll "withdraw"

[Triphus (Titanian)]

sheesh TD........ I'll "Withdraw"................

[Armany]

LOL