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Post by heartofgold on Nov 25, 2006 0:33:17 GMT -5
Amen.
Too big a gamble to if they are proclaimed guilty (is the argument; like I said it has merit, but I'm not officially supporting this position). Proclaimed being the key word, by the way. You just don't want to kill somebody then find out later it was wrong.
But for the sake of what this thread was originally about, I have no problem with seeing Saddam . I'm not going to argue with people who think it shouldn't be done, because I think they have a valid point. But the man is obviously evil and I'm not going to feel one bit of remorse after he's gone.
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Post by LilyJ on Nov 25, 2006 16:31:25 GMT -5
Fair enough... and well said.
I'm sure that a world without Saddam IS a safer place.
I will not back down on the statement that WATCHING the hanging is sick and wrong, however. It's one thing to punish. It's a whole other thing to enjoy it.
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Post by New Titania (TD) on Nov 26, 2006 1:26:14 GMT -5
I don't think anyone here disagrees with you.
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Post by guest on Nov 27, 2006 7:57:57 GMT -5
And what now seperates us from the fall of Rome?
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Post by heartofgold on Nov 27, 2006 11:26:23 GMT -5
The fact that we're not as far gone as you think. First off, the Romans started off not-so-hot to begin with and stayed that way (e.g. Gladiatorial fights). America was founded on a good idea and good principles. Obviously a lot of those principles weren't implemented right away (we fixed a few, slavery, civil rights, so on). But still, there's a reason we became the world superpower without the benefit of conquest. America just needs to realise that its a basically good nation with some problems (as opposed to a basically awful nation the media is painting it to be in need of a total redoing). Rome was absolutely barbaric. We are not.
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Post by gynovia on Nov 27, 2006 17:55:15 GMT -5
And what now seperates us from the fall of Rome? yeah, i woudn't say we've gotten that bad. |
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Post by Geberia on Nov 27, 2006 19:11:29 GMT -5
I think it is also important to note that Jesus FORGAVE the theif hanging on the cross by his side. He did not grant him more human LIFE. He allowed him to take his just punishment.
So I am hoping and praying Saddam will be saved- but even if he does or does not, he still has to account for his crimes.
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Post by torc on Nov 28, 2006 2:05:33 GMT -5
indeed!
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Post by heartofgold on Dec 2, 2006 11:32:39 GMT -5
To be fair, though, in this particular example, what does Jesus do? Does he just float him down to the ground then watch as the Romans run him through with a spear? Or, scenario two, he floats him down, all the people are instantly converted, Jesus doesn't die. Whoops. I'm don't think there's really anything you can do there.
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Post by gynovia on Dec 2, 2006 14:34:22 GMT -5
To be fair, though, in this particular example, what does Jesus do? Does he just float him down to the ground then watch as the Romans run him through with a spear? Or, scenario two, he floats him down, all the people are instantly converted, Jesus doesn't die. Whoops. I'm don't think there's really anything you can do there. you limit God with 2 choices? |
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Post by heartofgold on Dec 5, 2006 2:48:09 GMT -5
To be fair, though, in this particular example, what does Jesus do? Does he just float him down to the ground then watch as the Romans run him through with a spear? Or, scenario two, he floats him down, all the people are instantly converted, Jesus doesn't die. Whoops. I'm don't think there's really anything you can do there. you limit God with 2 choices? Fair point, its possible he could have done something. It just seems like a little different situation than normal. But then you might be right about this whole thing. I don't really think the Death Penalty in and of itself is immoral, but I'm not sure we can use it with today's flawed justice system. |
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Post by gynovia on Dec 5, 2006 20:10:36 GMT -5
you limit God with 2 choices? Fair point, its possible he could have done something. It just seems like a little different situation than normal. But then you might be right about this whole thing. I don't really think the Death Penalty in and of itself is immoral, but I'm not sure we can use it with today's flawed justice system. wow. you actually semi-agree with me! amazing. ;D i think you just set a world record....hehe jk |
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Post by torc on Dec 29, 2006 21:49:21 GMT -5
Its about to happen. a few minutes to hanging. Fox is on a deathwatch. CNN as well, Headline news not so much.
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Post by LilyJ on Dec 30, 2006 22:15:34 GMT -5
They didn't actually put it on TV did they? ...That's just sick. But hey, in today's culture....
I disagree with the post made about the fall of Rome, but I see where the idea came from. In a different sense, today's concept of "entertainment" is just as barbaric. That or stupid. And you just have to see some TV previews, or see some of the junk that gets publishd as books, or listen to some of the more "popular" songs to get what I mean.
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Post by robertpalson1 on Feb 23, 2007 20:47:08 GMT -5
It wasn't gods wrath that killed him it was man playing god. No one should kill unless its god himself and in this case it was men
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Post by maroondah on Feb 26, 2007 0:38:42 GMT -5
But God has used men before to overthrow evil dictators/countries.
I think you should not watch it for enjoyment, obviously but to watch it and reflect on the pain he has caused, the lives that have been taken away because of him, and the hope that things can change for the better. I think that is okay.
As a side note, Babylon will one day be the center of the world. Could it be that way under Saddam's rule?
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Post by Teckor on Feb 26, 2007 16:46:52 GMT -5
Well, he's dead. Justice can be handled sourly. Someone (like God) can be even-handed and yet mournful. Still, the death penalty has it's place as a judgment but it just shouldn't be used often.
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