Descended into Hell?

[Geberia]

Yes, that was what I know too. Abraham's Bosom was where the people like Lazarus the Beggar went, while across "a great gulf" there was hell.

[falklands]

Ummm...no Biblical proof for a "special place" set aside in Hell. ;D

[Triphus (Titanian)]

Well before Jesus' death their really wasn't Heaven. During the whole time of the Old Testament there was Paradise and there was Hell. When Jesus died he went up to prepare Heaven and then he went down to the Paradise to get the rightous ones to take them to Heaven. That is what I think was meant by that passage around Jesus' death.

[falklands]

Ummm...look at Genesis 1:1.

[Triphus (Titanian)]

Yes I know the Bible says he made the heavens and the earth. have you ever realized that we are talking about Heaven? not heavens.............. For me that means he created the spiritual realm and the physical realm and that when Jesus died he went to prepare a place where our spirits can live eternally with God.

[Armany]

I have no clue about the stuff you guys are talking about- Abraham's Bosom, Paradise, etc. Never read that in the Bible, myself.

Here's my take: Hell exists now, but is not to be confused with the Lake of Fire mentioned in Revelation. Heaven has always existed. I've never heard of any intermediate places.

Also, anyone read Paul's "Three Heavens" passage in the New Testament? I'm to lazy to pull up an exact verse right now, but he mentions a fellow believer being "carried up into the third heaven" in one of his epistles.

[falklands]

And hey, when Elijah and the like were taken up into the clouds, what could that be but heaven? Do you suppose they went up out of sight of the Earth, then were secretly transported down again? ;D

[Triphus (Titanian)]

Falklands I don't mean to sound rude, but have u been reading the above posts? We've been talking about Abraham's Bossom and the Paradise, which were earlier resting points before Jesus died and prepared a place for us to live eternally with Him. The whole point of Heaven and Hell is that either we will live eternally with Him or live eternally in grief of knowing that we are not with Him. Before Jesus died there was no "living with Him" so there was a "Paradise" which was a resting point before Jesus took them to Heaven after He died.

[hmmm]

Paradise mentions in the bible:

Luke 23:40

And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

Cor. 12:3-4

3.

And I know that this man—whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, but God knows

4.

was caught up to paradise. He heard inexpressible things, things that man is not permitted to tell.

Rev. 2:7

He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.

and in case u want some descriptions of what is now heaven:

"I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God... The angel who talked with me had a measuring rod of gold to measure the city, its gates and its walls. The city was laid out like a square, as long as it was wide. He measured the city with the rod and found it to be 12,000 stadia in length, and as wide and high as it is long." (Rev.21:2, 15-17)

"He measured its wall and it was 144 cubits thick, by man's measurement, which the angel was using. The wall was made of jasper, and the city of pure gold, as pure as glass. The foundations of the city walls were decorated with every kind of precious stone. The first foundation was jasper, the second sapphire, the third chalcedony, the fourth emerald, the fifth sardonyx, the sixth carnelian, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth chrysoprase, the eleventh jacinth, and the twelfth amethyst" (Rev.21:17-20)

"And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God. It shone with the glory of God, and its brilliance was like that of a very precious jewel, like a jasper, clear as crystal... The great street of the city was of pure gold, like transparent glass" (Rev.21:10-11, 21).

a third heaven?....something to thing about:

"I know a man in Christ (Paul himself) who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know--God knows. And I know that this man--whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, but God knows-- was caught up to paradise. He heard inexpressible things, things that man is not permitted to tell." (2Cor.12:1-4)


and a earlier verse i used which helps create a picture that paradise and hell where close.

Luke 16:24:

"And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame."

[Siko Michael]

that was me above

[Geberia]

I find it intresting that people in heaven/ paradise, whatever, seem to be able to see the people in hell and converse with them. Or maybe that was just Abraham...

[Triphus (Titanian)]

hmmm i think that was just Abraham.........

[torc]

I don't think Jesus went down to hell. How can the most righteous person go to hell?

OOOOh baptist theory moment.


There are two covenants, or promises made by God to Humanity. One was the covenant of the Law, THat is what the Jews lived under. The law established sin, and if they sinned, they had to sacrifice to get their sins paid for.
That system could not be sustained forever. God needed to end that system, but he could not go back on his word.

THUS enters Jesus. He was perfect and sinless. When he died for the law, he acted as a permanent sacrifice. THus he became the second covenant, the covenant of grace.
Jesus had to go to hell, because he died carrying the sins of the world upon him He had to be punished for that, by the law. When he was raised, ti was to show that the law of sin and death was finally over, and by believeing in hsi grace and trusting in him as your personal savior and lord, you can be with God.

[Triphus (Titanian)]

Wow that is a very interesting idea. I don't think i've ever thought of it that way. I don't know that we can fully understand any of it until we go to Heaven, but that is a very promising opinion.

[gynovia]

that is pretty cool theory( if its true) like Triphus said, we prolly cant totaly understand it 'till heaven

[falklands]

I meant, it's not really essential to salvation ;D All you have to believe was that he died and rose again after 3 days regardless of what he did in between ;D