awaz
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Post by awaz on Feb 21, 2006 11:05:02 GMT -5
I will concede that point. Unless the penalty is the death penalty.
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Post by falklands on Feb 21, 2006 13:36:15 GMT -5
Ok, so I can go up to a prisoner on death row and torture him all I want 'cause he is going to be deprived of his life later...
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awaz
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Post by awaz on Apr 19, 2006 9:35:05 GMT -5
But if you ABUSE the fact that their rights are taken away, you deserve to have your rights remove as well for wrongly using your rights.
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Post by Aslan the Great Lion on Aug 14, 2006 15:57:44 GMT -5
criminals have the right to be punished and the right to accept it.
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LilyJ
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Post by LilyJ on Aug 21, 2006 17:04:41 GMT -5
I think criminals shuld have SOME rights - after all, there is a chance that they can change their ways.
Prisons - well, the whole prison gangs situation is just nasty. That pretty much turns people into worse criminals. I think prisons should be fairly simple - single or two-person cells, limited to no inmate interaction - and inmates should have basic comforts, like a cot, a bathroom, food, and access to books or maybe (upon request only, and censored) computers.
All in all, prisons schuld be treated kinda like a "reform school" - they're locked up to "ponder the error of their ways", so to speak. Stripping them of all their rights only turns them more bitter, and leads to future crimes if they're released.
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Post by nella on Aug 21, 2006 17:37:40 GMT -5
Well, of course everyone has rights, the question is rights to do what? The right to go free, no, the right to a fair trial, yes, etc.
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Post by Aslan the Great Lion on Aug 22, 2006 8:25:04 GMT -5
Stripping them of all their rights only turns them more bitter, and leads to future crimes if they're released. but they are not really there to be comfortable. they are there to be punished and hopefully learn not to do it again by punishment, reform might work, but discipline always works they have a right to a fair trial, but they don't have a right to get off free because their lawyer says the right words or because the lawyer finds a lupehole. i don't care how the authority found out the person was guilty, the point is that they found out. i don't care if they don't use a searchwarent or don't wait long enough or don't knock long enough, they are guilty put them in jail, don't let them go on a technicality |
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LilyJ
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Post by LilyJ on Aug 26, 2006 19:45:23 GMT -5
So you're saying that the problem is with the court system, not actual criminal rights? If that's the case, I agree - and I think one thing they should do is give lawyers a salary cap. Keep the defense and the prosecution on the same level.
However, what if you CAN'T prove someone's guilty? How do you prevent putting innocent people in jail?
Also, you say you don't care about search warrants etc, but would you like the police just barging into your house on a whim to find something? Doesn't that open the door for corruption in the government? If there's no respect to people's personal rights, we might as well have no right at all! I'd rather not see another Hitler come to power, thanks....
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Post by Aslan the Great Lion on Sept 28, 2006 18:47:05 GMT -5
I don't want them coming into everyone's house, but I don't think they should get a warrant for the obvious. When people know there is something going on, then don't waste time w/ the technicalities. But if you are not sure, then yes get a warrant and do it right. |
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LilyJ
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Post by LilyJ on Sept 30, 2006 15:29:16 GMT -5
But where do you make the distinction? This kind of thing has to be done right or not at all. And if it's obvious, it shouldn't be that hard to get an appropriate search warrant.
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