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Post by Aslan the Great Lion on Dec 28, 2005 17:15:25 GMT -5
I think criminals don't have rights. Once they committed the crime they gave up their rights. I hate it when a guilty person goes free and a innocent person goes to jail. I also don't like the idea of pardons unless the person is found innocent. I think the US's judicial system is kind of messed up. If you have the right lawyer then you can win anything.
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Post by Geberia on Dec 28, 2005 17:38:39 GMT -5
Well criminals have rights as human beings, but I think they should definatly be denied some privileges. Inmates practically run the prisons. It's getting to be a sad state.
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Post by Aslan the Great Lion on Dec 28, 2005 18:03:09 GMT -5
Yes, everyone has the rights of humans, but to have rights that are given now are absurd because criminals are...well, criminals. They did something bad. When your parents punish you, you get punished. Not a run around the bush and let the criminal go because they were not read their rights or because there was no search warrant.
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Post by falklands on Dec 28, 2005 18:56:04 GMT -5
It's not the system that's messed up; it's just the people that are in the system. Yes, criminals do have rights. They should be given the punishment necessary, but surely you don't think it's completely fine to torture criminals for the sake of it? They are human beings and when in prison still have some of those rights, excepting their freedom and such. But they deserve humane treatment, of course.
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Post by Aslan the Great Lion on Dec 28, 2005 19:39:00 GMT -5
No, I don't think we should torture to torture, but it is for their crime. "Do the crime, pay the time." I agree with that saying.
You are also right about the system working, just those who run it make it bad. I believe that we have some, if not many, bad lawyers and judges that can destroy the system.
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Post by falklands on Dec 28, 2005 23:56:51 GMT -5
It's the time in prison that is the punishment, not the torture. Unless you define torture as being "cruel, degrading or inhuman treatment." In that case football coaches shouting at their players are subjecting them to torture. ;D
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Post by christian on Dec 29, 2005 1:39:15 GMT -5
I'm unsure what your saying is messed up as a hole the system is being pushed to max levels and the core reason of people doing crime is because of how they were raised with the failing of the education system the devaluing of the family and taking god out of everything and divorces at around 50% this country is becoming worse as a culture and throwing away people in cells for long terms really does Little to deal with the crime
as for search warrants there a must because they keep the police force from looking into whatever they want which turns them into the KGB almost its just one of the solid core things that keep this country intact
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Post by Aslan the Great Lion on Dec 29, 2005 11:49:33 GMT -5
Yes, but if they have a warrant for one house for drugs and use some infared tech, but they find drugs using the tech in another house, the person with the drugs in their house should go to jail. Criminals should not use technicalitities to get out of getting the right punishment.
I think people learn that they did wrong when they are punished. We need to focus on the people who did the wrong and make them realized they did wrong and make sure they will not do it again. If someone is punished then they will not do it again...hopefully.
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Post by christian on Dec 29, 2005 15:09:59 GMT -5
ok so instead of letting the criminal go what should be the punishment to stop the poilce force from using unlawful methods to convict them?
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Post by falklands on Dec 29, 2005 15:31:55 GMT -5
Good question...perhaps suspension from the police force, or a big fine. I'm not exactly sure. But if they use unlawful methods, they should definitely be punished, because they are breaking the law, right?
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Post by GDL on Jan 12, 2006 18:52:45 GMT -5
The lawyer thing perfectly fair. But that's whwere mosrt of there rights(in my book) stop...
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Post by Triphus (Titanian) on Jan 13, 2006 23:13:35 GMT -5
I guess I don't understand why we need to take away the rights of a criminal. I mean they are being punished for their crime by either doing time in jail or by doing civil service right? So what good does it do to take away their rights as a citizen? They can't possibly use those rights to get out of their punishment, so I don't see why they cannot keep what is rightfully theirs because of their citizenship to this nation.
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Post by torc on Jan 18, 2006 22:08:09 GMT -5
WHen you are a convicted FELON you lose your right to vote, and freedom of movement. You still retain your right to life, basic comfort (3 square meals and an hour of exercise) and other things. Criminals have rights, but I don't think 128 channel TV is amoung them.
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Post by awaz on Jan 23, 2006 20:32:04 GMT -5
Prisons should definitely not be so comfortable.
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Post by Geberia on Jan 24, 2006 14:29:17 GMT -5
Agreed...although we don't want to be like the mideival days ( sorry spelling error there!) . But really, how could we sink that low?
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Post by falklands on Jan 24, 2006 18:47:07 GMT -5
What exactly are we referring to Geberia? Torture?
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Post by Geberia on Jan 24, 2006 21:03:06 GMT -5
no, LOL I was thinking more on the lines of dungeons  |
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Post by falklands on Jan 24, 2006 21:25:55 GMT -5
Ok. Well, most of America's jails are not nice at all. This is because of the people within (the prisoners) and the unhappy police officers... But by breaking the law you give up your rights to privacy and liberty. We shouldn't make prisons up to the standard of modern homes or else people would like the prison more then their former life. But explain what exactly you mean by "dungeons", or more explicitly, what features of dungeons would make the country using them "sink low".
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Post by steelsheen on Jan 24, 2006 22:31:35 GMT -5
Jails are NOT nice. Prisons are better. The people aren't. The problem with those places is the inmates- well- they are criminals, and the problem is killers are in with relatively harmless thieves, and... well... it can get.... sticky.
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Post by Geberia on Jan 25, 2006 12:32:34 GMT -5
It does irk me sometimes though that some serial killers get more comforts in a jail cell than the ordianry US citizen! But good grief, if we went back to the Medieval days of dungeons and torture and all that stuff....some countries still do this by the way.....we would defiantly be taking away the criminal's rights as a citizen of the USA. And also, what fo you guys think of Guantanamo? sorry if I spelled it wrong |
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Post by falklands on Jan 25, 2006 12:57:39 GMT -5
I know too little of Guantanamo Bay to make a firm judgment, but I'm not so sure about the rightness of taking prisoners without a court trial.
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Post by grerry on Feb 10, 2006 13:02:01 GMT -5
Criminals HAD rights until they commited crime! So therefor criminals do not have rights.
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Post by falklands on Feb 10, 2006 14:53:25 GMT -5
As human beings, they do have rights. It's just that they relinquished certain other rights when they committed their crimes.
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Post by awaz on Feb 16, 2006 19:19:08 GMT -5
As human beings they do have rights, but once they commit a crime they relinquish all rights ALL rights to anything. By committing the crime they violate someone else's rights, therefore if they take/steal/remove someones rights they are allowing the governing authorities God has set in place to do what ever they need to do, even if they have to remove some of the criminals rights to accomplished this end.
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Post by falklands on Feb 16, 2006 21:28:33 GMT -5
As human beings they do have rights, but once they commit a crime they relinquish all rights ALL rights to anything. By committing the crime they violate someone else's rights, therefore if they take/steal/remove someones rights they are allowing the governing authorities God has set in place to do what ever they need to do, even if they have to remove some of the criminals rights to accomplished this end. They pay for what they did in jail, and lose the particular rights of liberty (and comfort, etc.) while serving their sentence. It is illogical to assume they are deprived of "ALL" rights, since then it would be perfectly okay to deprive them of the right to live (hence killing them), or torturing them for no reason at all but the crime (however small) they committed. However, such is not the case. Only some rights are deprived. |
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