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Post by Geberia on Jan 20, 2006 16:14:58 GMT -5
yup....you guys should take this debate to the Christianity/Catholicsm thread.
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Post by heartofgold on Jan 20, 2006 16:19:41 GMT -5
Yea, I am. Come to the Christianity Catholicism debate to hear the answers to all your questions!
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Post by Teckor on Jan 20, 2006 17:03:58 GMT -5
lol, not quite. Remember, Bible answers all.
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Post by falklands on Jan 20, 2006 18:07:33 GMT -5
...not the Catechisms ;D
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Post by heartofgold on Jan 20, 2006 18:52:09 GMT -5
I just said I'd answer them, I didn't tell you how (but I'll have more on all that in the debate thread).
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Post by Teckor on Jan 24, 2006 16:58:29 GMT -5
apparently I missed something that heartofgold had said.
When I said "religious institutions", I meant groups of ppl that try to organize and control (with single leaders and not directly from doctorine) tend to be very bad. My examples of the Catholic Church, and the Church of England are perfect for illustrating this seeing as that there tended to be "separations" from them, ie: Luther, other priests, the first European settlers from England to North America, and probably many more. These "institutions" were not (as far as I can tell), led by the Bible, or by God.
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Post by falklands on Jan 24, 2006 18:45:42 GMT -5
Well, they were intended to be led by God; the Devil worked at 'em and put corrupt people in office. This does not mean that those institutions were in the dark recesses of Hell. Just some of the leaders had fallen astray from the Bible. However, there are also correct answers that show a less condoning view of the church.
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Post by Teckor on Jan 25, 2006 16:29:33 GMT -5
Yes, you have a point, but institutions based or founded similarly to them tend to have similar outcomes.
Kind of like why democracy will never truly be it's greatest or why tyrany didn't always worked, etc. Part of this is because of the fact that they were being ruled by humans (who are imperfect beings) and not directly by God.
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Post by heartofgold on Jan 26, 2006 22:00:05 GMT -5
I have a question. Why is the Catholic Church evil and corrupt? Its one thing to be... misguided, but its another thing to think its corrupt.
For instance, I think you all are misguided for believing in the rapture, but I don't think you all are evil and corrupt.
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Post by Triphus (Titanian) on Jan 26, 2006 22:11:02 GMT -5
if you don't believe in the rapture, what do you believe about the end times?
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Post by heartofgold on Jan 26, 2006 22:57:40 GMT -5
if you don't believe in the rapture, what do you believe about the end times? Well, basically, Jesus comes down, we go up. That simple (I can start a rapture debate thread if you want ;D). |
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Post by falklands on Jan 27, 2006 11:20:39 GMT -5
Yes, please do ;D
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Post by New Titania (TD) on Jan 28, 2006 15:08:26 GMT -5
OH PLEASE. James 5:14 Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord.
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Post by Aslan the Great Lion on Jan 28, 2006 16:08:05 GMT -5
Yes, please start a discussion about the rapture. What do you think will happen? I know I beleive in the rapture.
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Post by gynovia on Jan 28, 2006 17:10:47 GMT -5
There is one that Falklands started. so have at it in that thread  |
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Post by drowelves on Feb 3, 2006 7:04:04 GMT -5
As I'm sure ya'll know, different denominations hold different doctrinal beliefs. For instance, some denominations lean heavily on all the gifts of the Spirit, while others pick and choose. IMHO, we are all Christians as long as the simple yet effective rules that were laid out in the first post are accomplshed.
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Post by Teckor on Feb 4, 2006 12:04:37 GMT -5
Unfortunatel Heartofgold, the Roman Catholic Church has been known to have a sort of "interesting" stand on certain subjects and how it came about.
But still, back to the topic, I still don't think I'll fully understand why people would divide themselves over slight differences if their all the same. I guess part of it is the failability of man.
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Post by awaz on Feb 21, 2006 11:20:55 GMT -5
There are a lot of denomonations that have ""interesting" stand on certain subjects".
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Post by falklands on Feb 21, 2006 12:50:58 GMT -5
Perhaps Teckor will elaborate to give you a clearer picture of what he means.
Concerning Roman Catholicism and doctrine, Heartofgold seems to claim that none of their official doctrines are wrong. But didn't the church used to teach that the Earth was the centre of the universe and treated opposition to that as heresy (read Galileo)?
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Post by heartofgold on Feb 21, 2006 14:17:30 GMT -5
Centre, I love it ;D.
Once again, this is the middle ages we're talking about here. For about two hundred years there was a really, really messed up church. This wasn't official either. The church doesn't go into science. But some messed up people from a messed up church thought that it was total heresy, and they were wrong. But the church isn't and hasn't given any official teachings on science.
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Post by falklands on Feb 22, 2006 13:45:13 GMT -5
Ah, don't we all love being the centre of the universe... ;D So I want to confirm, do you hold that every one of the "official" (whatever that means) teachings of the Catholic church are all entirely correct? |
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Post by heartofgold on Feb 22, 2006 14:42:05 GMT -5
Well, the pope is infallible. So yes, when he says something, he's right.
What I mean by officially is not every word out of the pope's mouth is infallible. That's why you can have a total moron as pope and still have good things happen. But what he writes down is and seals and all that fun stuff is. Like a king.
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Post by falklands on Feb 25, 2006 11:07:45 GMT -5
Well, the pope is infallible. So yes, when he says something, he's right. What I mean by officially is not every word out of the pope's mouth is infallible. That's why you can have a total moron as pope and still have good things happen. But what he writes down is and seals and all that fun stuff is. Like a king. Hmmm...like I'm going to agree with you ;D |
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Post by heartofgold on Feb 25, 2006 14:29:37 GMT -5
I wasn't hoping you were if it makes you feel any better. I just wanted to point out we aren't just doing whatever the moron (if it is a moron, right now it isn't in case you were wondering, but there have been some through history) says. We're kinda banking on God making sure he doesn't write anything horrible down. I think we're safe now though. Its not quite such a big deal now as it was then. Now, we kinda have Catholicism. Here it is, believe or don't. And Popes don't have the power to change it. Little things can happen now, like the ordination of woman being banned, but nothing that's going to affect anyone's salvation.
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Post by falklands on Feb 25, 2006 16:27:21 GMT -5
I wasn't hoping you were if it makes you feel any better. I just wanted to point out we aren't just doing whatever the moron (if it is a moron, right now it isn't in case you were wondering, but there have been some through history) says. We're kinda banking on God making sure he doesn't write anything horrible down. I think we're safe now though. Its not quite such a big deal now as it was then. Now, we kinda have Catholicism. Here it is, believe or don't. And Popes don't have the power to change it. Little things can happen now, like the ordination of woman being banned, but nothing that's going to affect anyone's salvation. Well, as we have - and will - debated this in the Christianity&Catholicism thread, I don't think the Pope's infallible. All people who are true Christians (in the sight of God) believe the same fundamentals. But in the other issues we can differ without having to worry about losing our salvation. Wait, this is getting to be a repetitious statement... |
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