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Post by Siko Michael on Mar 1, 2005 20:00:18 GMT -5
This thread is dedicated to what if scenarios....such as what if president Kennedy was not assassinated.....what if the south won the civil war.....what if the nazis took over England before the US entered World War II.....What if England won the American Revolution.....What if Robert Kennedy was not assassinated and so on... What ever scenario u like!
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Post by Armany on Mar 1, 2005 20:30:44 GMT -5
What if the Germans had were victorious in the Battle of Britain? A great question that I will pose in the WW2 thread.
Now, for here, a question to all of you: What if the US had not dropped the two A-bombs on Japan?
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Post by Siko Michael on Mar 1, 2005 21:43:30 GMT -5
i believe that the war would have continued longer and that the US would have invaded Mainland Japan but would not have been successful since the Japanese still had nearly 1 million troops ready to defend japan and also the japanese were working on special bombers that could reach America that were designed to drop bombs that not just exploded but were to launch fleas with many different diseases on America to start plagues on America soil. The Japanese were planning to begin this attack in early 1946....but thank goodness for the A-BOMBS~!
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Post by Triphus (Titanian) on Mar 1, 2005 22:42:40 GMT -5
OOOHHH I don't think so Siko, true the war may have gone on longer, but think of the destruction we caused. Millions of innocent bystanders died because of that stupid bomb. I so wish that bomb had never been built.
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Post by Siko Michael on Mar 1, 2005 22:59:02 GMT -5
well millions more would have died in the US due to the germ bombs the japanese were developing if it was not for the a-bomb then the war would have been on US soil.
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Post by Armany on Mar 2, 2005 15:21:55 GMT -5
Titanian, I disagree. And, ironically, I'm with Siko Michael, in the fact that we were justified in dropping the a-bomb.
My main point is that if we would have attacked Japan in the conventional matter, hundreds of thousands of American lives would have been spent in invading the mainland of Japan. We all know how they didn't even regard their own lives with their kamikaze tactics. Can you imagine Allied troops charging forward on Japanese beaches where hundreds of thousands of Japanese soldiers would be willing to commit suicide to destroy us?
Conventional bombing wouldn't have done it, because we wouldn't have been able to take down the Japanese lightly. They had good aircraft, and would have, again, used their kamikaze tactics on our aircraft carriers.
So, in the end, it was bargaining the lives of many. And in the end, sadly, one side had to bear the brunt of it. In a perfect world, the A-bombs wouldn't have been neccessary. In real life, though, it was the sad consequence of the circumstances; the lesser of two evils.
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Post by GDL on Mar 3, 2005 18:14:30 GMT -5
i think that we were also justified by dropping the A-bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.True it did kill hundreds of thousands of people.But it did end the war wich we needed badly.
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Post by maatshalz on Mar 4, 2005 19:04:44 GMT -5
Well what if the south won ;D I think it would be great!!
The south shall rise again!!! ;D
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Post by GDL on Mar 4, 2005 19:23:46 GMT -5
it would be a different world that's for sure.But it would of made a constant war beetween north and south.And most likely slavery would still exist.Wich was definatley wrong.I don't think alot of things would of been better.
The city I live in was the capital after Richmond feel.
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Post by Chocolate Bar on Mar 4, 2005 19:27:32 GMT -5
World War II,
I agree with Michael and Armany. I wish we didn't have to drop the bomb but we had to. If we didn't who knows how long the war would have lasted.
Civil War,
If the South won
1.slavery would still exist
2. I don't think USA would be as powerful as it is now.
I'll eleborate later
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Post by Siko Michael on Mar 4, 2005 19:55:51 GMT -5
I honestly think slavery would not have continued even if the south won because of a little document called the EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION
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Post by GDL on Mar 4, 2005 20:01:55 GMT -5
they didn't have any power over us!!!They were our slaves.So how would it?President licoln was stupid to do that one thing.So we were a seperate nation and he couldn't force us around.
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Post by Siko Michael on Mar 4, 2005 20:35:31 GMT -5
well lets see um....the south actually accepted the EP and let all the slaves go...i dont know why but they did.
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Post by GDL on Mar 4, 2005 21:06:04 GMT -5
No they didn't I think that i know!I live in what was once the biggest slave holding state of all,and we sure didn't like it.
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Post by Armany on Mar 5, 2005 9:34:11 GMT -5
Well, seeing the new topic about the Civil War, I have to chime in.
If the South had won the war, America is never a factor in the global politics of the subsequent Twentieth Century. You have two rivalling nations bickering continually over issues that probably cause small wars all of the time. Also, if the Confederacy won, they probably would have been recognized by England and France, giving them huge economic allies. We would, therefore, have risked a larger war if, after the conclusion of a theoretical Civil War I, the Union wouldn't have been able to fight a major war to again retake the South.
If you look at it on a broader scale, America is not a factor in either WWI or WWII, as a divided state. Therefore, the Soviet Union and Russia, aside from Britain, are the only world superpowers after WW2, because w/o our manpower, I think Germany would have won. That, in turn, changes the whole complexion of our world today, and America is but two small pawns in a greater game, where dictators from elsewhere control the world's fate, or as much as they can without incurring God's wrath. So, a totally different ballgame. In the end, I think that the Lord must have had plans for America as an instrument whenever the North won the war.
Also, have you ever thought about the fact that nothing in the Consitution says that states cannot secede?! Assuming this, then in retrospect it should have been the anti-slavery North that should have seceded, forcing the South to act and then waging a just war against a foreign power, the Confederacy, or in this case, what is actually the Union.
Something to think about . . .
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Post by GDL on Mar 5, 2005 12:09:01 GMT -5
Many old people down here are still very mad about the Civil War.But slavery was only the icing on the cake.The north had been unfair about taxes to us and made it more expensive to export cotton things like that.The north totally destroyed us not a thing was left in a way it was a mini Great Depression.
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Post by Armany on Mar 5, 2005 16:45:41 GMT -5
True, but let's consider the evils of slavery that existed in the days before 1861. Today, if a nation acts genocidally, then we issue sanctions against them. Same deal back then. The South "sold it's soul" to cotton, and to produce cotton on that scale, they needed slaves. Thus, to abolitionists in the North, it was only natural to try to wage financial warfare against the South, because slavery was basically all about money.
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Post by GDL on Mar 5, 2005 21:59:26 GMT -5
Actually the Civil War wasn't really started to end slavery it was started to save the union.But the yankees (sorry if it offends) could really care o less about us so,the president used it as a cover up.When he himself atfirst wasn't going to end it just keep it contained.
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Post by Zedonius on Mar 6, 2005 20:17:34 GMT -5
I honestly think slavery would not have continued even if the south won because of a little document called the EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION the EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION would not have applied to the south because they were fighting for separation from the union, therefore umion bills would have no juris over them. |
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Post by GDL on Mar 6, 2005 20:59:13 GMT -5
Thank you that's what i've been trying to say but no on elistens to me!
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Post by Zedonius on Mar 7, 2005 11:47:08 GMT -5
oh...ok...then I back up GDL
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Post by GDL on Mar 7, 2005 19:03:08 GMT -5
That's ok I need someone on my side!
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Post by Zedonius on Mar 7, 2005 21:17:10 GMT -5
I had 7 great great great great great great grand fathers, who were all brothers, fight for the south in the civil war. (Idont really know how many "greats" so I just put 6)
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Post by Armany on Mar 12, 2005 9:47:35 GMT -5
Actually the Civil War wasn't really started to end slavery it was started to save the union.But the yankees (sorry if it offends) could really care o less about us so,the president used it as a cover up.When he himself atfirst wasn't going to end it just keep it contained. I wasn't saying that the Civil War was fought to end slavery. I was talking about the context with which the North acted (speaking for Union abolitionists). Many Northerners were apathetic to slavery, but there was a strong group that would have done anything to abolish it. Therefore I said that if they wanted to end slavery and force the South to (a legimate response to the evil institution), then the North, not the South, should have seceded. Also, have you ever thought about the idea that the Confederates had a right to secede? There is nothing in the Consitution that states against it. NY and another state even put that as a stipulus for entering the Union. |
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Post by GDL on Mar 12, 2005 10:15:07 GMT -5
Alot more states actually had wanted to seced.Like MAryland,Kentuchy two for example.But if anyone would evven bring the idea up he would get them arreste and put in JAil wich was not right
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