Glad Bush Won!

[ApologeticChrist]

“I hate to break it to the bush lovers but isnt Vietnam just like Iraq? There is no possible way to win when all iraqis want us to leave I was for starting the war and getting rid of hussein but we are still there one year later and we cant hardly start a election there with all the anarchy going on there(maybe its for the oil$$$$$$$$$$$$) I mean billions of dollars, mens/womens lifes and a waste of time are now going into this thing!!!And this is just like vietnam, we could possibly to be there 10 years from now and have a death toll of 50,000 You just cant control the crazy middle eastern arabs!!!!”<br>
I’m inclined to believe you that this war was not well founded. That isn’t the point by now. To leave would screw the Iraqi people more than opening up giant hotels for terrorists and having the Defense budget cover their fees for staying. Iran would invade the instant that America got itself caught up in something else (which we have a habit of doing) and make them a new province. We cannot leave. Our death toll has been around 1,516 (quoted from CNN.com) and that is for three years from war to occupation right now. Yeah, oil sounds like it may have had a big factor in this, but it wasn’t the only thing.

”Also the ecomony is bad, 5.5% unemployment rate(3.5 with Clinton!!!)”<br>
Are you out of your mind?! That’s a GREAT unemployment rate! Europe doesn’t even have those kinds of numbers, and they’re more stable than we are. Try 7% being bad, or 10% or 25%. Our nation destroys any other when it comes to economy, and ours is by far the best, strongest and largest.

“Trillions of dollars of debt(Trillions of dollars in the positive with Clinton!!!) …”

I will agree with you on the debt being a huge and unidentified issue, but Clinton had a surplus of no more than 200 billion. Yes, I’m being nit-picky.

“… how can you all say he is a moral leader whenever people are trying to take god out of the nation anthem, He hasnt repealed the abortion laws(lets remember a republican Richard Nixon was president when roe v. wade took place) and nobody ever will get them repealed!!!”<br>
The President can’t touch the Supreme Court. They are an independent body from him in almost all ways. You can’t repeal the abortion laws without a majority in Congress and a huge uproar from society and God is still in the national anthem and will continue to be until next it comes up in Congress (that motion was defeated about a month ago).

”…and he is a war mogal/war president who calls themself a war president?? and where is Bin Laden, I mean we have satellites that can tell where anything in the world is and we cant find him(thats insane!!!!)”<br>
It is finding a guy who professionally makes himself hard to find. Give the CIA a break, they got screwed under the Clinton and earlier Bush era for spy money. Bush is a war monger, terrible at PR and not very talented when it does come to war, I will agree though.

”How can you all say John Kerry is worse than Bush and immoral compared to bush just because he was for civil unions. Morality isnt even a issue!!! I mean thingy Cheneys(are second in command moral leader) daughter was a lesbo, aparently some parents where not doing there job!!!!!!”<br>
Tell the 29% of the population that voted on the morality of their candidate that morality is not an issue.

”…and some morans are going on the "Kerry goin take are guns away"!!! motto yeah right!!!!!! That motto been going around since Carter and did he take our guns awayDid Clinton take our guns away!!!!!”<br>
No offense, but your use of the exclamation point could use work. The NRA, currently the most powerful lobbying group in the United States (according to Fortune Magazine) has been around to first promote hunting sports. It only assumed the role of (how they see it) protecting the second amendment once it became apparent that the US government wanted to severely restrict gun access and use. The implementation of totally non-gun policies in European countries (as well as a few others) has made them even more nervous as they watch their crime rates increase, especially in places like South Africa and Australia. Kerry is (was I suppose) in favor of more restriction. Bush is for more freedom. In reality, Kerry may very well wish to “take our guns away.”


And…<br>

”Not all people in Iraq want us to leave. There's people on the streets when our soldiers come into cities that are smiling and there are little kids that run up to our soldiers and play with them.”<br>
This man has been reading his news closer than average. I like that. I would be inclined to agree to a more mild view of Bush and really preferred a more mild view of Kerry than most people want to give him. The American political system has become so bland it makes me almost ill. Our wackos never even make it to office anymore. Anyhow

“Yea right like people actually want us there HAVE YOU SEEN FAREIHENT 911( well i dont know how to spell it)”<br>
Michael Moore is a member of the media, and is left wing. He has made it very obvious that he doesn’t like Bush and uses every opportunity he can get as an influential citizen to do him harm. I would most likely do the same if Kerry were in office. You are hearing one side of the story, and a powerfully bias one at that. Most media is left bias, the exception being CNN (in my opinion the most moderate) and Fox (haven of the libertarian).

[ApologeticChrist]

”The only thing this war is getting acomplished is KILLING INOCENT PEOPLE. Soldiers, iraqs, american workers, and everybody just so bush can get a little EXTRA OIL PROFIT!!!!!!”<br>
You’ve failed to notice that the Middle East has dramatically calmed down since Iraq. Yeah, most of the terrorism is now in Iraq, brought to you by the closeness of American troops to their havens, but there are some very good consequences. For the first time since the 60’s (I think), Iraqi’s get to vote in a non-rigged election. They get to discuss politics for the first time since Saddam was in power. The Shi’ites and Kurds are elated for their newfound religious freedoms. Oil production is back where it was before the war, and bringing in good income for them. They are being allowed to stay in OPEC, possibly the most hated organization by American gas companies, not a good thing if you are looking to rape a country for it’s oil. Libya has stood down in their pursuit of nuclear weapons due to our intervention in Iraq. Yeah, this isn’t exactly pleasant, but it certainly is not Vietnam and is actually benefiting a country of about the size of California. I worthy cause I think.

“Although Kerry does look like a used car sales man( I liked John Edwards better myself).”<br>
So true, I liked him better and wished he’d have won for the democratic side. Ah well.

“Bush just looks, sounds and talks like a stupid hick... Who doesnt know anything....”<br>
Bush isn’t a genius and needs to watch what he says. However, he has (really had now, I have yet to see the new one) one of the best cabinets yet assembled. These people do the real thinking for the president and they are doing the best they can, given their mission.

“Also wheres Bin Laden... Once upon a time Bush wanted to get him... But now he "DOESNT REALLY CARE OR THINK ABOUT HIM MUCH" it may not be the exact words but its basically what he said....”<br>
Killing one man will only make the world marginally safer. Breaking up Al Queda and getting their leaders was a good start, but this is really the CIA’s job. Regardless of whether Bin Laden lives or is dead, he is as good a symbol for the radical Islamics either way. What is important is having a strong intelligence system out there, which Bush is addressing; curiously enough in a similar plan to one I outlined myself for helping the nation’s security. I wonder if he hacks my computer.

”And thingy Cheney has a billion dollar coporate scandal, just though i might add it).”<br>
The Secretary General of the UN is in the middle of a very real 21 billion dollar scandal. Cheney is obviously looking out for his own companies; this is very natural. I think that only Carter and Washington have managed to have a term completely devoid of scandal and self-interest. If you can think of other ones, I’d be interested to know, but there is always SOMETHING going on like that. I don’t like it, but Cheney is just a little evil dictator with now power anyhow. I’m not worried until Bush kicks the bucket.

“Our Soldiers are not even protecting the weapons we have captured and iraqs we are PROTECTING THE OIL!!!!!!”<br>
The only way to catch every single one of those terrorists is to have the Iraqi people live in a police state. You have 150,000 troops in a disorganized country with 22 million people to protect at all times (2000 world book census). Your police forces couldn’t protect Allentown during the 50’s and are cowards. A full two thirds of a group went A-wall when their platoon of officers came under attack. This does not make the Army’s job easy.

“…and if you have not seen michael moore's movie u have no reason to even rebutal on this note.”<br>
If all of your insight on the current political situation is coming from a two hour movie, then you need to read more news articles. It’s just a hair more complicated and not as easy or as dark as any one would make it. No one, including Bush and every person on earth, understands what is really going on.


And…<br>

”Okay Fariehent 911 is all lies! Micheal made a majority of it up to make Bush look horrible.”<br>
I’d be inclined to disagree, but only partially. I’m sure there is some truth to the movie, but there is also some exaggeration and falsehoods. Though, I’m sure that Mr. Moore’s goal was to make Bush look like a fool, if not an evil dictator.

“Bush isn't trying to get oil it's another lie from the movie.”<br>
Maybe he is, but if he is, he’s doing it very foolishly.

“By the way Republicans are alot better than Democrats because the Dem. promote gay marriage and abortion along with many other bad things.”<br>
Whoa, all right, I think we have some bias. Republicans are no better than Democrats are no better than Reform Party are no better than the bloody White Knights of the KKK. No one promotes abortion other than the seriously sick and demented. Allowing it in needful circumstances is another matter. I do not feel such needful circumstances really exist except in cases where the mother and baby will die if nothing is done and the mother would possibly survive if there is an abortion. I’m sure there are other complicated parts that I would agree to, but I’m not getting into that, as we are not discussing that. It is a matter of personal preference and if you are going to accuse the Democrats of such things, you have to be fair in saying that the Republicans suppress the poor, line the pockets of the rich, have no interest in civil rights and seem to have sadistic glee from screwing our elderly through social security. Be fair.

-R. S. of UC

[New Titania (TD)]

That's right AC, just let it all out, *inhale* *exhale* *inhale* *exhale*

Look, Chickenwing, I can't believe that ANY cousin of mine would actually believe that Michael Moore's Farenheit 9/11 is actually fact!!!!!!! It is a piece of propoganda written by the anti-christian, anti-moral, anti-life, MICHAEL MOORE. (Just saying the name scares me).

Also, I KNOW Bush isn't perfect, he has his faults, believe me! I myself am steamed up with him on his immigration policy, but there is a bigger picture, here:

Making sure that Iraq is Free, making sure that we are safe from the terrorist threat, and keeping religion in the U.S.
Liberals like Moore do not want "One Nation, Under God" to be in the Pledge. They don't want the nativity scene on Christmas, or the Cross displayed in the classroom, while symbols of other religions are. Michael Moore and his cohorts support killing innocent babies. They talk about how mothers have the right to their bodies, but I ask whether or not the babies should have rights to their bodies.

Bush believes in STRONG Christian principles, not just propoganda thrown around to make him look good. (Remember Kerry in the 2nd debate when asked about abortion?)

[Ed]

What you're seeing that is making the war in Iraq a lot like Vietnam is the trickle of bad news. If a newspaper is generally opposed to the current president, then they tend to just publicise the bad things about them. My newspaper does that a lot, publicising on the front page things like "5 killed in car bomb" but never thouching on the subjects of iraqi support, the general good-feelings about democracy, and many other things. For example, this one person commented that the iraqis are turning in the insurgents themselves because they were tired of their houses being shot up. But that was never put in my newspaper. As one of my teachers once said... "the media can twist any story to what it believes"

[Siko Michael]

Terrorism=EVIL A war on terror= A war on EVIL can u ever defeated EVIL......NO(or until Jesus comes back)
well a motal cannot ever defeat/kill/eliminate/destroyed all EVIL in the world... So war of terrorism= Waste of time? Why are we in iraq defeating terrorism?
I though we were there looking for WMD(Weapons of Mass destruction) guess what NONE, NONE, ZERO, ZIP, CERO, NOTTA, NOTHING... and how can u not worry about the unemployment rate, the US is a top nation and in fact we actually should have companies begging people to work for them not people begging to work... and back to my WMD point BUSH IS A LIAR....
I cant stand LIARS... Yes Clinton LIED but did it KILL 1,000+ SOLDIERS NO WAY.... Michael Moore, on the other hand actually paid people to look up info on BUSH THAT WAS 100% TRUE... another point KERRY SERVED HIS COUNTRY IN VIETNAM WERE WAS BUSHHEAD??? NOT IN VIETNAM HE WAS WONDERING AROUND IN TEXAS TRYING TO START A OIL COMPANY WHICH WAS FUNDED BY ARABS...... OK YOU GOT ME BUSH IS GREAT YEEHAW.....

Chickenwing Major

[Siko Michael]

SEE YALL IN THE UNEMPLOYEMENT LINE or IN THE DESERTS OF IRAQ....

[Ed]

Well, it is true that the Bush didn't do the economy much good, or the iraq war very well, but i think that otherwise he is great! he suceeded in outlawing partial-birth abortions, and that's fantastic progress! it will take a bit to get all of it gone but it's great he has had the small victories and the Christian influence in our government.

PS Even though they have declared that there were no WMD's in Iraq doesn't mean there weren't any. Stuff can be hidden 10 feet under the sand and evade detection by most scans, and i don't think that the borders were very well gaurded while we were still going for Bagdad. (did i spell that right?)

[Siko Michael]

Let me think yes there were WMD's there and lets see the great RONALD REAGAN GAVE IT TO SADDOM TO FIGHT IRANIANS WHICH we WERE AFRAID OF IN THE 80's.

[New Titania (TD)]

Ah, the Farenheit 9/11 scheme again.

OF COURSE Pres. Regean gave those WMDs to Iraq to fight the Iranians. Because it was, at the time, better to see Iran defeated then Iran taking over the Mid East. Just think what a mess we would have today if Iran was 3 times bigger.

Bush has done the economy good, the stock market is looking better, the unemployment rate is falling, and people are getting TAX RETURNS!!!! Something his father didn't even do.

[Siko Michael]

Question: How do u give people tax returns whenever the country is in debt and needs the money??? Also note the higher tax bracket got most of the tax money AKA BILL GATES, DONALD TRUMP and the rest of the rich people while my family got NOTHING!!!!!!!

[New Titania (TD)]

Answer: When you give people money, they don't throw it in the fire place, they spend it and invest it in our economy, thus creating economic growth (also known as Reaganomics).

The reason that some people get more is because they all get the same percentage of tax refund. Although you do have to be above a certain income bracket to receive one (it's not that high.)

Liberals, though, talk about "Tax cuts for the middle class" when they consider the actual middle class rich.

[maatshalz]

OK tell me 1 thing BUSH has done....waiting

[Siko Michael]

Reaganomics or as some call it VOODOO Economics Doesnt work---Example: I work at a computer repair place for $40,000 a year, the company has to make cutbacks due to the bad economy and I get layed off I received... Lets say $300 in income tax returns. I Do not put this $300 back into economy---Reason: I don't have a job... Therefore the economy does not recieve any money... Also There is this little bill called the NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND ACT, It is only the most stupidest bill ever made..... According to this bill all students are supposed to recieve 100% on the MAP(there are different test for different states) and there are supposed to be NO DROPOUTS By around 2013.... Lets see IMPOSSIBLE.... Another Bill the Patroit ACT is also stupid... Example: I am in school and tell someone BUSH SUCKS!!!! Later police arrive at my doorstep and have a warrant to search everything to see if im a terrorism..... and I ask why they are doing this and they tell me a anyomous tip leads them to think im a terrorism.... I thought this was a democracy? Yet the act takes away a bunch of rights..... And right now the Republicans control everything Congress, President, etc. Last time this happened?? Hitlers National Socialists had all the position in Germany controlled......
So therefore I guess u can say we are REZIS and we have a socialist Government.

Well the Steelers Play tomorrow GO STEELERS!!!!!!
ROAD TO SUPER BOWL XXXIX

Chickenwing Major

[New Titania (TD)]

It's getting hard to debate with you . . . know why? BECAUSE YOU ARE AN EXTREMIST (sorry to shout:)) You are comparing Bush to Hitler. If you want people to take you seriously, don't do things like that.

(go Steelers!!)

[Nolofinwe]

i am so glad that bush won!!!!! ;D

john kerry is a liberal freak, if he had gotten into office it would have been the end of america's sovereignty as a nation. considering he wanted to give 70% of our military to the UN and allow our troops to be tried in a global court by foreign judges. not to mention the fact he is pro-choice and in favor of rights for gay and lesbian couples.....

and with the whole iraq war, personally i think he hid the WMDs somewhere or got rid of them a long time before we occupied iraq. but really when it comes right down to it, WHO CARES ABOUT WMDS!!!!!! we have just liberated almost 2 million people from a brutal dictator who tortured, raped and mistreated them for decades; those people now have the freedom they deserve and the dictator is in chains! just as an example i was just reading recently about a marine battalion who freed a hundred children from a prison south of bagdad, why were they imprisoned? they're parents had dared to oppose saddam's regime so they're children were confiscated and imprisoned until they were old enough to be conscripted into the iraqi republican guard to fight in saddam's border wars. now i will tell you right now that after watching a hundred mal-nourished little kids run weeping into the arms of they're parents thanking they're liberators over and over again for what they had done those marines know exactly why they are there, they are fighting for freedom and they can't go home until the mission is complete. now see michael moore wants you to forget all that, all these liberal nuts in the media out there want you to forget what our troops are really fighting and dying for and force you to look at "operation iraqi freedom" as "operation find the WMDs"......

i mean im just like the rest of america in that i want to bring our troops home, and bush is the same way. but we can't bring them home until the job's done....

[maatshalz]

I'm still waiting..................

[maatshalz]

Hey theres a talking reagan! IT SHOULD SAY TALKING DUMMY!






Halz

[maatshalz]

Hey earlier something said take a punch at kerry! how about a smart question to Bush!

[maatshalz]

Hey chickenwing major can say what ever he wants! Titian!

[maatshalz]

Hey! earlier I saw a take a punch at kerry! well how about a smart question to bush!

[Siko Michael]

Okay know that halz has spilled his guts and gone crazy.... I will admit The comparison of Hitler is extreme but if u look at the scenario of 1933 and u will see some similarities.... But anyhow Reaganomics do not work...Simple fact the country had nearly 8% unemployment(this is bad for a top nation) No jobs, no economy....Its a simple fact.... The country may be moral but we better start praying a little harder before we lose our jobs and starve to death.... One thing I know for sure is the STEELERS are going to STOMP the JETS

Chickenwing Major

[maatshalz]

Oh yeah i spilled my huh! well to you!

[maatshalz]

Bush can't stop the people in Iraq they have been enemys for Hundreds of years! Durr

[Nolofinwe]

democrats!!!

no im just playing with you, you've got zel miller with you guys and that's good. but still, i do want to strangle you sometimes....maybe a little more often..... ;D

[Siko Michael]

Stangle me what have i ever dun to u???