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Post by Bob on Nov 1, 2005 1:03:31 GMT -5
hey, seriously, who knows?
who really cares?
all we need to know is that God DID greate the earth, does it really matter why?
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Post by falklands on Nov 1, 2005 13:00:38 GMT -5
Good point there, but isn't the reply a little late? I mean, the last one was in July ;D
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Post by Triphus (Titanian) on Nov 1, 2005 19:00:46 GMT -5
lol ur right Falklands, but i like this topic so i'll reply too  personally Bob, i'm offended. I agree it is the most important to know that God created the earth, but he also tells us to minister to others, and if u don't have answers to certain questions they may not always believe u. that's why i've made it a personal goal to study and research those hard questions knowing that the answers may not even be there. |
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Post by falklands on Nov 1, 2005 20:45:02 GMT -5
Also, your way of looking at the world is wholly different (in science and history, etc.) when you believe in one or the other.
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Post by gynovia on Nov 2, 2005 9:46:05 GMT -5
hey, seriously, who knows? who really cares? all we need to know is that God DID greate the earth, does it really matter why? who cares?? i think its very important for us to care! were living in the world God created for us! yeah, i agree w/ triphus that it also helps answer other questions, especially about evolution and such. |
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Post by ashbash on Nov 3, 2005 2:26:57 GMT -5
soz i was the guest, i sed "does it really matter why" when i meant "does it really matter how?" sorry for the confusion.
interesting point triphus, makes sense. but how am i suppised to know?
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Post by falklands on Nov 3, 2005 11:21:51 GMT -5
We are supposed to know from what the Bible tells us...
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Post by Lucas on Nov 10, 2005 17:39:22 GMT -5
evolution VS creationism.....flamebait for generations of posters....
Honestly....I can't conclusively prove evolution, and you can't conclusively prove creationism
and no, time travel won't help us, because it is impossible to go backwards in time:P
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Post by Geberia on Nov 10, 2005 18:30:57 GMT -5
Agreed with time travel. But God did create the earth and all that is within. Have you ever read Genesis 1?
Evolution is false because really, we did not get here in this orderly world with a big bang.
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Post by Chocolate Bar on Nov 10, 2005 21:22:32 GMT -5
evolution VS creationism.....flamebait for generations of posters.... Honestly....I can't conclusively prove evolution, and you can't conclusively prove creationism and no, time travel won't help us, because it is impossible to go backwards in time:P It takes more faith to believe in Evolution than Creation. The chances of Evolution are mind-boggling small. Like 1 in 1,000,000,000,000. The belief that there is a Creator is more probable and believable. |
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Post by New Titania (TD) on Nov 11, 2005 0:37:09 GMT -5
Actually, Geberia, there is a chance that there was a big bang. (Triphus can explain it better than I can.) There has been much evidence for a "big bang." The anti-Creation scientists have used this evidence as a talking point for evolution, when it really plays into God saying "Let there be light"....then BANG....
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Post by ashbash on Nov 11, 2005 6:11:54 GMT -5
agreed. actually have been thinking along those lines for ages...not sure if anyone else actually thought the same. also, god isn't constricted by time. "seven days" may not be a literal 7 days, it says in the bible sumthing like, a 1000years is like a blink in god's eyes, or along those lines. and no, that wasn't literal either. since when was god literal? he created poetry!  |
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Post by gynovia on Nov 11, 2005 10:00:30 GMT -5
Gods calendar is way different than ours
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Post by Geberia on Nov 11, 2005 12:38:07 GMT -5
Actually, Geberia, there is a chance that there was a big bang. (Triphus can explain it better than I can.) There has been much evidence for a "big bang." The anti-Creation scientists have used this evidence as a talking point for evolution, when it really plays into God saying "Let there be light"....then BANG.... Intresting way of putting it I guess I meant more like the Big Bang theory is wrong because this is an orderly universe. If there was a big explosion-like thing, then think of the catastrophe! But I suppose God can make an orderly Bang LOL |
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Post by Geberia on Nov 11, 2005 12:43:07 GMT -5
agreed. actually have been thinking along those lines for ages...not sure if anyone else actually thought the same. also, god isn't constricted by time. "seven days" may not be a literal 7 days, it says in the bible sumthing like, a 1000years is like a blink in god's eyes, or along those lines. and no, that wasn't literal either. since when was god literal? he created poetry! Well the reason I don't believe that each day was 1,000 years was because 1) God has the power to create everything in 7 eathly days- why would he want to take thousands of years? 2) He created light on the first day, then plants on the third. Now plants need sunlight to survive. So they couldn't have lasted 1,000 years with just plain light. it has to be Sunlight. |
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Post by New Titania (TD) on Nov 11, 2005 23:47:02 GMT -5
Here's an interesting theory... (not saying I believe it...at ALL). The people behind this theory (Dake's Annotated Reference Bible for one) have scriptures to back it up, but I don't have those at hand. Some of them are from Isaiah, I think.
Ok the theory goes that:
Before Genesis 1, God had already created the Earth and it was covered with some angels and other human-like beings. He appointed the archangel Lucifer to reign over the Earth. However, Lucifer wanted to be like God so he rallied the beings on Earth to his cause and warred with the angels on Earth. Eventually, God destroys the Earth and the angels on Earth become the demons that currently reside in hell. This brings us to "The Earth was without form and void" and the rest is history...
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Post by ashbash on Nov 12, 2005 2:30:04 GMT -5
yeah jhe could have, but usually, he's an orderly being. think of of the ways he fixes ppl's lives, it takes time, circumstanses and people. i'm guessing he made laws and stuck to them.
another way to think of it is like playing a game. he knew what would happen, just started the mix and hit fast forward.
god also created time, and is not bound by it. he is everywhere at once.
but to tell the truth, we'll never know, and we'll have to wait till we get to heaven
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Post by Teckor on Nov 24, 2005 16:39:05 GMT -5
I would like to say that I believe it to be 7 days.
An important thing to realize is the fact that God made grass on Day 3, but he made the Sun, etc. on Day 4. Plants can live for a day (maybe up to 3 or 4 days) without sunlight, but past that they die. Include the fact that it doesn't distinguish a change in how long a day is and you can then assume that it is talking about a (or roughly) 24 hour time frame known as a day.
I read somewhere (can't totally recall where, probably a Creation magazine) that with the use of math and the Bible, someone estimated the begining of time to be somewhere around 4,004 B.C. So, add 2005 to that and you get, 6,009 years if that person was correct.
Also, if the Earth was millions of years old, we would have no Carbon-14 (half-life is 5765 years or so).
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Post by New Titania (TD) on Nov 24, 2005 23:27:58 GMT -5
Well, in the 1st chapter of Genesis, the word "Day" is used in two different meanings.
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Post by ashbash on Nov 25, 2005 5:28:54 GMT -5
just so this doesn't get out of hand, i read somewhere in the bible something like do not waste time on debating about small issues because it creates quarrel and that brings you away from jesus. something like that. can't remember where tho
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Post by Teckor on Nov 27, 2005 17:45:38 GMT -5
just so this doesn't get out of hand, i read somewhere in the bible something like do not waste time on debating about small issues because it creates quarrel and that brings you away from jesus. something like that. can't remember where tho true. I'm pretty sure its Romans 14 that talks about that. however, some things are not debatable (ie: was Jesus the Son of God, etc), things that are essential to our beliefs. whether or not this could be considered essential to our beliefs I do not know, but it is important to have an opinion on. Honestly though, I personally belief it to be actual 24 hour periods. But thats just my opinion. If you don't want to share it then fine, that's your choice, if it doesn't affect what you believe then by all means. |
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Post by Teckor on Dec 1, 2005 16:12:23 GMT -5
Well, in the 1st chapter of Genesis, the word "Day" is used in two different meanings. Not to continue argueing over something that isn't essential, but how do you determine that the word "day" has two meanings in Genesis? That to me would be quite inconsistant. Furthermore, when would the days have changed pace and why wouldn't it have mentioned so? |
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Post by falklands on Dec 1, 2005 18:10:28 GMT -5
just so this doesn't get out of hand, i read somewhere in the bible something like do not waste time on debating about small issues because it creates quarrel and that brings you away from jesus. something like that. can't remember where tho Good point, but wasn't that about the same thing our guest Bob said at the top of this page? Did you read the responses to his comment? But I know, quarelling does not do anyone good at all. But we're not quarelling. That's the last thing I want to happen in a discussion like this. But personally, I am a strong believer in Creation, and in the seven days that God made the Earth. I am not going to haggle about how many few thousand years' discrepancies there may be in the creation date, but one thing I am certain: we don't come from any apes. In fact, I believe that Adam, the first man, and the first man to sin, would have not died had he not sinned. The Bible says "the wages of sin is death", and God tells Adam that he would die if he ate of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Therefore it contradicts the Bible to say that death is not the wages of sin, and that it is something that Man was ensnared in from the day he was created. That position would be necessary to believe in Evolution. And to crown it off, saying that death is a fundamental tenet of man's original nature is belittling and contradicting the example of Christ's resurrection from the dead. The Bible says he conquered sin and death by his resurrection. He would not conquer something that is an original part of Man's created nature! To say that God created death to be there from the beginning is like saying that God created sin! This, I believe, is my main argument against those who believe in Evolution. There is scientific evidence against Evolution that would make an Atheist doubt, however. That is no surprise, seeing that if Creation did happen, the evidence should be there, right? Actually, the chances of Evolution happening at all is completely ridiculous and way more than that. What I mean is that Macroevolution, the kind of Evolution that involves apes changing into humans, is only explained by scientific conjecture. In animals' DNA, there can be variations in the genetic code, allowing creatures to adapt to their surroundings. Rather like those viruses who are the subject of so much talk these days. That is Microevolution. Macroevolution, however, involves ADDING material to the genetic code. That doesn't really make sense. Scientists say that in some periods of time, creatures were exposed to radiation, mutating them and changing their genetic code. Well, every single bit of mutation we have seen over thousands of years has only involved SUBTRACTING material from the genetic code, and it ALWAYS has a detrimental effect. There is no reason to suppose that any mutations whatsover might have been beneficial, adding information to DNA! Woah. That was my biggest and most thought-filled post I've done in a looong time. ;D |
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Post by Armany on Dec 1, 2005 18:57:04 GMT -5
There is a possibility that there was a Big Bang. In Genesis 1:1, there is no indication as to how God created the Earth, just the implication of Him creating it. God's mode of creation, however, will probably never be known.
Agreed, Falklands. We had a big debate about evolution back in January. I wish I had you on my side then! I never really saw it the way you explained it, but it does make a whole lot of sense.
Microevolution, evolution within a species involving changes of a smaller nature, occurs, but, as Falklands said, macroevolution (the evolution of entire species into something totally different) is a leap of faith. Make that blind faith!
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Post by falklands on Dec 1, 2005 19:04:39 GMT -5
There is a possibility that there was a Big Bang. In Genesis 1:1, there is no indication as to how God created the Earth, just the implication of Him creating it. God's mode of creation, however, will probably never be known. Well, one can say that he created things by his spoken word, hence "let there be light", but who knows? By the way, a lot of the ideas from my first theological argument was taken from St. Augustine's The City of God. That guy had a lot of good things to say about anything and everything, although some of his ideas were a little "out there." ;D |
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