Girls please stay out... guys come in if u want

[GDL]

ok... Well I am really embarrassed for posting this
But I feel like I should...
Ok, we all know what masturbating is...
Do ne of u feel that it is wrong?
I don't actually kno wwhat to think. I have been doing it for a long time now and I have been wantin to quit but can't... Please reply or else i'll feel dumb. Thanks,

~Pentecostal Boy

[GDL]

i'll delete this if u want....

[Siko Michael]

.....*Crickets Chirp*.....okay i will say something to make GDL feel less dumb....although this is a extremely sensitive subject.....Im sure every male will do that at least once in their lifetime(whether or not they will admit to it is a different story).....most of the time it happens (is discovered) probably because of a accident, by accident i mean "Curiosity killed the cat". Its one of the things you learn as u r growing up...."The Birds and Bees", but doing this excessively could become a hazard for your christian lifestyle as it may lead to dirty pictures and stuff i will not mention since you probably have the point.....my only suggestion is too pray for god to help you get rid of this nasty habit just like any other habit(smoking, etc.)...now if u have a playboy under your bed I suggest you burn it ASAP lol.....

GDL officially gets the of the day for getting the guts to bring up this subject on a Conservative Christian board...you better hope the rest of members do not decide to burn you at the stake

[christian]

i cant speak for the other members but im happy you have asked for help with somthing you may need help with it takes a stronger man to want help then one who does not

and jesus will never turn away from a cry for help with anything no matter how bad or what it is so nor should us christians turn you down i would rather want a friend who is honest truthful then one who fakes being perfect

now regarding masterbation it is very hard to understand but i know that porn and the likes of that will start a addaction but masterbation alone can start one two

here i find a intersting site i hope it wont make you feel bad but im going to post what it says and its not very good but dont worry i no your going to brake free

[christian]

Isn't Pornography only
the "Hard Stuff?"
Click Here if you suspect your spouse is addicted.

Click here to read: The Evil Lure of Pornography!

I hear comments like this all the time...
"I'm not into that hard stuff that you were into. I'm not obsessed with it. I just like to look at the Sports Illustrated Swim Suit edition."

or

"It's natural. Men are attracted to beautiful women. There is nothing wrong with looking at some good looking women once and a while."

or

"I just use it to enhance my marriage. I'm a very sexual person and I need it to help fulfill my needs."

If you agree with any of the above statements I urge you to read on...then ask yourself if Pornography is just the "Hard Stuff!"

In addition to the arguments above I have also often heard the argument that... "if you are married then you should be able to do anything as long as both the husband and wife agree."

The Catholic Church and God clearly condemns Pornography and ANY Catholic who says it's okay, including a priest...even if its within the bounds of marriage...are VERY MISTAKEN. Please Read on...

Nothing, it seems, is sacred these days, (Read my article: The Loss of All that is Sacred) including marriages, judging from what people are willing to allow into their relationships. We're not just talking about marriages in general here, but seemingly “Catholic” marriages as well. Bad enough that adultery afflicts some Catholic marriages, and that artificial birth control is welcomed into far too many sacramental covenants (Click here to read what the Church teaches about Birth Control and Why!).

When pornography is allowed to be included in a conjugal relationship between a husband and wife, it brings with it consequences as potentially destructive to a marriage as any other alien interloper. I'm personally aware of several marriages which ended in large part because of pornography or are currently suffering because of the husbands addiction to porn. And my own marriage was very close to ending because of it.

(Read my Conversion Story and the Affect that Pornography Addiction had on my marriage.)

The Catechism of the Catholic Church (2354) condemns pornography as “a grave offense . . . because it perverts the conjugal act, the intimate giving of spouses to each other. It does grave injury to the dignity of its participants.” The consequences of pornography are, in fact, contrary to the many blessings that God wills for us through His gift of the sacrament of matrimony. “Marriage,” declares the Catechism (1609), “helps to overcome self-absorption, egoism, pursuit of one’s own pleasure, and to open oneself to the other, to mutual aid and to self-giving.” Nothing can more clearly exemplify self-absorption, egoism, and self-pleasure than one’s willingness to make vulnerable one’s marriage to the evils of pornography.

So why is pornography allowed to intrude into a marriage? I'd liken it to living in a desert and watching someone living alongside a beautiful stream but using it as a toilet. While one spouse might initiate its inclusion, suggesting pornography as an “enhancement” to a couple’s sex life, both spouses are culpable. One spouse cannot initiate that to which the other does not agree. Late night commercials for pornographic video stores, which also advertise other prurient accoutrement among their wares, are obvious in their targeting of couples as a market. The fact that so much money is expended on such expensive marketing efforts makes evident that such a market exists, and is indeed thriving.

For the truly serious couple, devoted to each other, to their vows, and to the higher level of holiness into which they entered with Christ at the altar, God provides everything necessary for a blessed and happy conjugal life. “God who created man out of love,” states the Catechism (1604-1605), “also calls him to love - the fundamental and innate vocation of every human being. Since God created him man and woman, their mutual love becomes an image of the absolute and unfailing love with which God loves man. Man and woman were created for each other: it is not good that the man should be alone.” Thus, with everything necessary to pure conjugal love being bestowed by Christ through His Holy Spirit in the graces received at the altar, any alien interloper or entity allowed to intrude into the conjugal relationship only serves to adulterate and pollute what should be a pure reflection of Christ’s love for His bride the Church. What should be “of God” should be zealously defended against influences of this world, lest they become worldly and pass away with this world in its time rather than last forever, as do all things that are of God.

So, it is not “anything goes” between husband and wife. God wants us to live a holy, and pure life...especially as husband and wife. Pornography IS adultery. Plain and simple...Jesus Christ said so himself in Matthew 5:27-28:

“You have heard that it was said ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I say to you, EVERYONE who LOOKS at a woman with lust has already committed adultery with her in his heart.”

And that would include looking at ANY woman for the sake of LUST...including Sports Illustrated swimsuit models and including your own wife!

If a man that looks at the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition is honest with himself...we would have to say he is looking at the models in lust, NOT because he wants to give glory to God and praise Him for his great work in creating these beautiful women...if he says he is not lusting, he is lying to himself and to God.

Lust is NOT Love! Lust is disordered and harmful to our ability to see women and men for what they truly are...God's greatest gift to each other. Seriously! For it was not good for man to be alone. Lust is a result of the Fall. And the Enemy is constantly attacking us with it to try to bring us down.

Our Lady at Fatima also said that “More souls are falling into Hell because of sins of the flesh than any other sin.”

By looking at porn you participate in a whole series of sins. You sin by looking at it (lust and adultery), you cause others to sin by creating a demand for the industry thus the industry seeks women who are willing to participate in the porn industry because of the money (greed). There are many more sins that are committed and encouraged because of porn (greed/selfishness, avarice, covetousness, anger, gluttony, envy, sloth) ...and it spreads like the plague.

When we look at porn...we separate the body of the person in the pictures from the whole person...body, soul and mind...as God created them to be. We “use” their bodies for our own selfish pleasure...selfishness is the opposite of love! Saint Francis de Sales said the definition of love is “to will the greater good for another.” Christ commanded us to “Love our neighbor as ourselves.” That does not just mean the person that lives next door....but ALL people! Using someone for your own sexual and selfish pleasure is NOT love. It is a sin and a mortal sin at that.

Let me leave you with this passage from Sirach 23:18-21, 27:

18And the man who dishonors his marriage bed and says to himself “Who can see me? Darkness surrounds me, walls hide me; no one sees me; why should I fear to sin?” Of the Most High he is not mindful, 19fearing only the eyes of men; He does not understand that the eyes of the LORD, ten thousand times brighter than the sun, Observe every step a man takes and peer into hidden corners. 20He who knows all things before they exist still knows them all after they are made. 21Such a man will be punished in the streets of the city; when he least expects it, he will be apprehended. ... 27Thus all who dwell on the earth shall know, and all who inhabit the world shall understand, That nothing is better than the fear of the LORD, nothing more salutary than to obey his commandments.

Addiction to porn is not going to go away on its own.

As I said, internet porn is a 10 billion dollar a year business and growing at an alarming rate.

Through the Internet with broadband access, thousands of pornographic movies are available at the touch of a button.

Pornography is very destructive to our society and is a major contributor to the problems that we face in the world today.

It is so destructive because it is:

anti-children
anti-women
anti-marriage
anti-family
anti-church
anti-God
and profoundly anti-fathers.

It promotes intrinsic selfishness and says that sexual pleasure is more important than quality life giving relationships.

The false message of porn is that sexual desires and pleasure = happiness.

But, as I have experienced and I'm sure others have too, it actually causes much unhappiness and leaves a wake of destruction in our lives. It leaves a person feeling empty and used up and more and more selfish.

If you want to be free of Pornography Addiction I encourage you to read

True Knights: 7 Steps to Freedom and Purity

and other information available here on True Knights.

[falklands]

Good for you, GDL, for confessing what so many of us are so afraid to confess! Yes, I have commited that sin in my lifetime, and it was the worst thing I have ever done in my life. By the grace of God I quit two years ago. Enough said.

[steelsheen]

Oh- and you think it's only the guys who've got this problem? News flash! Nope! (and no, I did not enter this thread on purpose- I always check recently updated.)

[GDL]

No I didn't say that steelsheen but I am still kinda embarrased bout it,

[falklands]

Well, it wouldn't be very gentlemanly to suggest that.

[steelsheen]

True- but I didn't want you guys to think you were alone in misery.

[falklands]

Ah, the irony - so much of the world think that it is ecstasy - but it is really the opposite.

[Teckor]

... Well, what do u know ... we're all in the same boat together ...

My suggestion, avoid putting urself in the circumstance, and read the Bible. That's all I can think of that might help.

[GDL]

lol yeah. But unfortuanately 4 me I haft to take a shower every day lol

[Teckor]

... pray ...

[GDL]

yah I know.

[Triphus (Titanian)]

ok this might sound kinda weird, but a thing u might try is think about the girl u really like and so if ur thinking about her and thinking that u wanna be fair and honost to her u won't masturbate.........idk u might as well give it a try.

[falklands]

I just told God I would never do it again, ever, and I've kept to that promise. I don't know if that will work for you.