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Post by Siko Michael on Feb 21, 2005 16:43:48 GMT -5
no i dont guess so  ... but do u want china to invade our country to FORCE communism on us... I think not |
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Post by GDL on Feb 21, 2005 16:48:30 GMT -5
well let's see who has the bigger military.ooh we do!
who has more allies?ooh we do!
who has more supplies?ooh we do!
does that answer your question? ;D
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Post by Siko Michael on Feb 21, 2005 16:52:20 GMT -5
wrong....wrong.... and wrong.... there r more people in the chinese army than in the U.S COMBINED.... and they have several allies....n. korea...pakistan.... need i go on....and i know they have plenty of equipment... |
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Post by Armany on Feb 21, 2005 16:55:18 GMT -5
There is now present a huge gap between the liberals and conservatives here. Siko Michael basically said that since other people (more like governments) don't agree with democracy, then we shouldn't force it on them. For me, I don't think that "forcing" people to be able to determine their own destiny would be wrong. This exemplifies a logically different view of world affairs with which we shall never be able to bridge.
AC: I'm not sure that that would be possible, but if it didn't cost too many American lives, then yes. I'd rather have the people that live there do it, by giving them aid, but since the Iraqi people couldn't do that, we had to go in.
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Post by GDL on Feb 21, 2005 17:01:42 GMT -5
what equipment a bow and arrow?And a few useless nukes that could hit the wide side of a barn?Please.
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Post by Armany on Feb 21, 2005 17:04:52 GMT -5
Inferior equipment, though, Siko Michael. Our aircraft, as I have already discussed, are light years ahead of theirs. We could bomb them into oblivion, and all that they could do would be send up some Soviet-era MiG's that would get helplessly shot down by our 4th generation F-22's.
Britain is a close ally, along with Poland and Ukraine, also Israel.
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Post by Siko Michael on Feb 21, 2005 17:12:27 GMT -5
hmmmm...why do i get the feeling that u guys under estimate everything? we were light years ahead of japan in WWII to but it took us 4 years to defeat them and without the atomic bombs they probably would have never given up at all! |
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Post by New Titania (TD) on Feb 21, 2005 17:30:12 GMT -5
well then td did anything like 9//11 happen during the clinton administration...........NO......bush administration......YES......hmmmmm....and i would not be for Bush spreading democracy by attack/invading other countries....it isnt right to force our western views on the eastern side of the world and vise versa with the eastern side forcing there views on us. Let's see, Bush had been in office for 9 months. And yes, there were many numerous terrorist attacks on the U.S. during Clinton's reign: The bombing of the USS Cole (sp) the bombing of our embassies in Africa, and the first bombing of the World Trade Centers. It was the fault of Bill Clinton that we were attacked on 9/11. If Clinton had taken Osama from the Sudanese after they offered him, there likely would have been NO 9/11. About the freedom stuff, AC.... I support freedom and Democracy. But, I think we need to take it case-by-case. Yes, every nation should be free, but, we need to do it when it's in our national interest (as it was in Afghanistan and Iraq.) It may so happen that soon we will go into other countries and overthrow their governments, but not for the sole purpose of Freedom, for our saftey (once again as in Afghanistan and Iraq.) |
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Post by maatshalz on Feb 21, 2005 17:38:18 GMT -5
Ok im a hypocrite but come on the chinese could easiliy beat us cause they would keep sending forces! And And if clinton would have gotten the wmd's we would be in war by now! And why would you force democracy on other countries we would have war in almost every country! And one of you said that we would send bombs or whatever! UHHH why didn't we do that with iraq???  And why are we still fighting?? i mean we are fight a country smaller than texas??? |
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Post by GDL on Feb 21, 2005 18:12:34 GMT -5
WWII if you remember wasn't just against the Japanese it was against the Germans and the Italians to.and by the way we are in war
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Post by Siko Michael on Feb 21, 2005 18:15:57 GMT -5
ok.... i believe we should stop pointing fingers... ooh look its clintons fault....oh its bushs fault... oh its that weird dudes fault.... but i guess we just didnt see it coming(well, everyone except ASHCROFT) and hey LETS JUST TAKE OVER THE WORLD!!!! WAR!!!WAR!!!WAR!!!!! |
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Post by GDL on Feb 21, 2005 18:45:18 GMT -5
*slap,snap out of it.
Ok that was scary Siko-michael.
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Post by Armany on Feb 21, 2005 19:14:13 GMT -5
Well, if you've read anything about the our new military stuff, then we DO have a superiority over China. The F-22 could target an enemy aircraft before the enemy even knows that it's there, and then 'fire-and-forget', moving on to another target. We'd have a clear aerial superiority over any takers. I'm not that learned on our ground forces, but when it comes to the air, in several years, we could possibly win wars solely through the use of aircraft. That could only occur through immense civilian casualties, though, but it is, in a pinch, an option.
Yes, at first, Japan was good; but in the end, our planes and carriers were the ones that ended the war, coupled with the a-bomb.
Clinton did ignore bin-Laden, more than Bush ever did. If he would have dealt with him, then there'd have been no 9-11. But, by-gones are by-gones, just artifacts of history now.
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Post by Siko Michael on Feb 21, 2005 19:43:20 GMT -5
GDL i was refering to how war crazy u guys(some not all of u)are... U guys are wanting to invade n. korea, iran and so on and make them democracies what do u think they r going to do just lay down and let us take over? im sure they will put up one heck of a fight and also the US army is very well depleted...we simply just dont have enough troops to go around. |
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Post by GDL on Feb 21, 2005 19:45:59 GMT -5
I didn't mean now.Or in the next few decades I meant when we can.Sadly useually if you don't have democracy or atleast a nation that's not bad then sadly they usually don't have freedom to worship God.
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Post by Siko Michael on Feb 21, 2005 19:48:55 GMT -5
most of the time nations with dictatorships, communism etc. usually dont have a majority of christians anyway. like n. korea, iran, iraq most of these countries r islam or muslim. |
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Post by Siko Michael on Feb 21, 2005 19:51:53 GMT -5
also blaming Clinton isnt right since we could probably trace most of our problems to the Reagan administration and even farther than that....we could even start blaming kennedy for whats going on now... but these guys are in the past and we need to focus on the present.  |
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Post by Armany on Feb 21, 2005 19:51:53 GMT -5
The people in those nations don't even have the oppurtunity to hear the News of Christ, though, so we can't ignore them.
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Post by Siko Michael on Feb 21, 2005 19:53:44 GMT -5
true armany, i agree with u but i doubt we will have any mass conversions that will help the nation out enough.
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Post by ApologeticChrist on Feb 21, 2005 22:54:09 GMT -5
I have noticed some things in reading what has thus been written.
First, those of you who regard China as such a major threat have neglected to mention how the hoards of the chinese army is going to GET here. With ships, it would take weeks which could be taken by our vastly superior navy (best on earth by far, we own the oceans). As Armany so aptly has put, if they used planes, we could take them apart pretty quickly with the thousands of top-of-the-line interceptor fighters that we have. Their nuclear capabilities would have only a small effect on us, taking Hawaii, Alaska and possibly parts of the West Coast. My greatest fear would be for Taiwan, Japan and South Korea. They would be obvious targets of vengence and economical competition.
Next, it is rediculous to bicker about Osama. The actions of militant terrorist groups can easily be traced to the Ottoman Empire, and have not been improved by many of the people who had the chance to help, but instead screwed over the Arabs. Some examples: Tripoli (sing God Bless America, and then look up where it is and why it would tick off the Arabs), British in WWI at Gadipole, the British and French during WWII, the British in 1948 in Jeruselum, America's support of the shah in Iran, America's support of Israel in every war it has faught, America's humiliation of Egypt in the Camp David Accords, Regan's policy towards terrorists, Americanization since the 1950's encroaching on their land and etc. I can really understand why they are seriously ticked off at the Western World.
It is true, we really do need to be concerned about the Gospel getting to these oppressed areas. We have a duty to get it there and try to move people into position to get the Great Commission moving to where it has never gone before.
My original question might be a little better stated as this. Should America police the world? If not, should the UN? If not them, who? How on all three accounts? Why on all three accounts?
-R. S. of UC
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Post by Siko Michael on Feb 21, 2005 23:31:16 GMT -5
i dont get it? u guys really think the US can take the world if it had to! if China(or whoever) could attack us they most likely would get it done, like japan diverting r attention at thailand and then attack us while we were not looking(wwII) China(or whoever) could do the same thing.
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Post by Chocolate Bar on Feb 21, 2005 23:45:36 GMT -5
Ok im a hypocrite but come on the chinese could easiliy beat us cause they would keep sending forces! And And if clinton would have gotten the wmd's we would be in war by now! And why would you force democracy on other countries we would have war in almost every country! And one of you said that we would send bombs or whatever! UHHH why didn't we do that with iraq??? And why are we still fighting?? i mean we are fight a country smaller than texas??? [/q We are ahead of the Chinese by so much! They might have a bigger army but we have MUCH more advance equipment then they do. Size has NOTHING to do with how long it will take to invade it! |
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Post by Armany on Mar 12, 2005 9:51:13 GMT -5
Okay, I just read an editorial on the China issue and I'd like to throw out this question: If China was free, would they be friends with the US?
The author of the column said "no" because the Chinese do not want affiliation with the US. We're against them on the Taiwan issue, and if they ever became capitalist, then their economy could possibly overtake ours as most powerful.
Hopefully this'll get more people on this thread again . . .
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Post by Triphus (Titanian) on Mar 12, 2005 14:39:36 GMT -5
Actually, I kinda disagree since China is the most valuable trade route. When Clinton was President he gave China the award of being the top trade route ( I guess they get extra bonuses) and so far it has been going pretty well.
But It definitely would be a lot better if they weren't Communist.
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Post by New Titania (TD) on Mar 13, 2005 2:04:09 GMT -5
Well, Choco, we are still fighting not because we're having a tough time, but because there are many SMALL pockets of terrorists hidden in Iraq.
America should have NEVER EVER EVER invested all of its trade future into China *looks down at coffe mug and sees "made in China sticker"* They are a violent country that is just as likely to turn around tomorrow and nuke us. Why Clinton ever thought that they would help us...I will ever know. The stupid Chinese manufacture all of their goods by CHILD LABOR (can anyone say, "WRONG?")
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... but do u want china to invade our country to FORCE communism on us... I think not
And why are we still fighting?? i mean we are fight a country smaller than texas??? 
